# Fox News gets Dished **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 2, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776 "2015-01-02T15:40:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/1 "2015-01-02T15:40:48Z")
[Fox News Ratings Plummet As Dish Network Proves Ideological Bullying Doesn’t Buy Air Time](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/01/fox-news-ratings-plummet-as-dish-network-proves-ideological-bullying-doesnt-buy-air-time/) > [@](#): > > Because Fox News has played the victim instead of offering a fair price to for its weak programming, Dish dropped the conservative propaganda channel, including Fox Business, much to the delight of Americans who value their brains. Fox doesn’t want to pay the fees Dish Network is charging, so Dish Network dropped them. Good. As far as I’m concerned, Fox ‘News’ should be banned until they stop telling people they’re a news program. Or at least until they run a continuous ticker at the bottom of their screen reminding people that their ‘news’ show is satire and parody. (Note: In the '80s/'90s amongst my friends, ‘dishing’ meant ‘dishing out the dirt’. Not that Dish Network is dishing on Fox, but I liked using it in the title. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![CGav8r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@CGav8r](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CGav8r)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/2 "2015-01-02T15:58:55Z")
Someone should tell Fox News that this is how capitalism works… ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/3 "2015-01-02T16:05:25Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Fox doesn’t want to pay the fees Dish Network is charging, so Dish Network dropped them. You have this backward. Dish pays for programming from programming suppliers, such as Fox. Specifically: > [@](#): > > Fox News and Fox Business have been blocked from Dish Network since Dec. 21, after Dish accused Fox of trying to leverage Fox News’ popularity to secure higher rates for a less popular channel. Both 21st Century Fox and Dish Network continue to blame the other for the blackout. > **[Fox News Ratings Take Hit Amid Dish Dispute](https://www.ibtimes.com/dish-network-blackout-fox-news-ratings-take-hit-nasty-carriage-dispute-continues-1771328)** > > Blocked from 14 million satellite-TV subscribers, Fox News saw weekly prime-time averages dip last week. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/4 "2015-01-02T16:06:22Z")
> [@CGav8r](#): > > Someone should tell Fox News that this is how capitalism works… Fox: NO! Not letting us on your network is SOCIALISM! It’s CENSORSHIP! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/5 "2015-01-02T16:07:39Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > You have this backward. Dish pays for programming from programming suppliers, such as Fox. Fox wants too much money, and Dish doesn’t think Fox is worth it. (Playing _Jeopardy_ in my head until I’m allowed to post again…) I stand corrected. I thought that sounded wrong when I wrote it, but I was too caffeine-deprived to check it. . ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/6 "2015-01-02T16:42:07Z")
Apparently these sorts of shenanigans are pretty common- one network (provider?) has one popular channel and tries to arm-twist the cable/satellite carriers into carrying all their crap at some inflated rate as a result. Dish seems to be rather implacable with regard to this tactic- in the past 3-4 years, there have been at least as many propaganda wars with the network saying “Dish is going to cheap you out of watching NCIS!” and Dish saying “CBS is jacking their price up too high for no reason and we don’t want to raise your rates!”. ---
**Author:** ![tullsterx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tullsterx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tullsterx)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/7 "2015-01-02T17:41:51Z")
This is much more likely to hurt Dish than Fox. I’m sure Fox News has a much more dedicated fan-base than Dish Network, like it or not. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/8 "2015-01-02T18:24:21Z")
Isn’t this merely business as usual until the two sides come to an agreement? This just happened a few months ago with DirecTV and several of Turner’s networks. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/9 "2015-01-02T18:37:04Z")
> [@tullsterx](#): > > This is much more likely to hurt Dish than Fox. > > I’m sure Fox News has a much more dedicated fan-base than Dish Network, like it or not. It is a lot easier to change the channel than to get a new dish installed from another supplier. But they’ll settle before two long. They did this with AMC and with the local CBS station (for a day) also. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/10 "2015-01-02T18:38:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Dish dropped the conservative propaganda channel, including Fox Business, much to the delight of Americans who value their brains. Wow, what a way to misread your audience. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/11 "2015-01-02T20:18:39Z")
_So be sure to contact Dish and tell them you support their decision to take Fox off the air. Also, be sure to tell them that you would prefer Fox News never be allowed to return. After all, it’s more important now than ever before to protect America’s IQ and prevent lies, sexism, racism, and hate from taking over the media. If the FCC won’t do something about Fox, perhaps it’s time to ask private television service providers to do so._ Well how’s that for journalistic integrity, folks. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/12 "2015-01-02T20:56:43Z")
I’m pretty sure Addicting Info doesn’t claim to be an impartial news source like the New York Times or the Washington Post. I doubt most people reading it consider it an unbiased source for news, either. ---
**Author:** ![A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Dodgy_Dude)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/13 "2015-01-02T22:54:18Z")
If you can’t beat 'em, censor 'em. (And call it compassion.) ---
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/14 "2015-01-03T01:23:22Z")
Do the systems ever take the approach of contacting the advertisers and suggesting they are due a refund from Fox because x thousand/million people aren’t watching? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/15 "2015-01-03T01:33:01Z")
> [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > If you can’t beat 'em, censor 'em. > > (And call it compassion.) You’re not real clear on what censorship is, are you? ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/16 "2015-01-03T11:10:52Z")
_“Weak programming”?!?_ Fox News has been the number one TV news channel for years now. Regardless of what you think of them ratings don’t lie. And I will say this once more: Fox News is \*\*\*LESS \*\*\*biased to the right than CNN and MSNBC are to the left. The only reason the get so much criticism is because both the majority of the other media and \*\*\*all \*\*\*of pop culture believes that liberal Democrats are the ‘norm’. And they believe that because they’re inherently shallow, ignorant, simplistic, young, under-educated and naive. Might as well put this in GD now… ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/17 "2015-01-03T11:18:17Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > You have this backward. Dish pays for programming from programming suppliers, such as Fox. IIRC, though, some of the _really_ bottom of the barrel channels pay for carriage. Not Fox News or anything that gets substantial ratings at all, but channels like Auction Galleria #17, with the finest selection of vacant lots in distressed Florida subdivisions and bulk bags of imitation tanzanite. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/18 "2015-01-03T11:24:45Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > _“Weak programming”?!?_ Fox News has been the number one TV news channel for years now. Regardless of what you think of them ratings don’t lie. > > And I will say this once more: > > Fox News is \*\*\*LESS \*\*\*biased to the right than CNN and MSNBC are to the left. The only reason the get so much criticism is because both the majority of the other media and \*\*\*all \*\*\*of pop culture believes that liberal Democrats are the ‘norm’. And they believe that because they’re inherently shallow, ignorant, simplistic, young, under-educated and naive. > > Might as well put this in GD now… Actually, there’s a [long-running, still active thread in GD](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=667548) already about how crappy Fox News is. Why not come over there and educate us? ETA: But I doubt you will, so I’ll just say this: You’re wrong about Fox being less biased than CNN. You’re on less shaky ground about MSNBC, but then again, MSNBC doesn’t claim to be Fair and Balanced, like Fox does. But bias isn’t so bad, especially when it’s not hidden. What’s bad is making shit up. Fox does that, repeatedly (see the link for many, many examples). MSNBC doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/19 "2015-01-03T13:02:32Z")
Censor, schmensor. On the Fox/Dish issue there’s no censoring going on, just as mentioned before a business issue where Dish (most visibly but not alone among Pay TV carriers) has been drawing a line about what they will and will not pay the content providers for what channels. They are not the only carrier that has decided there is no network “too big to drop”, be it CNN or Fox or CBS or Viacom. As mentioned there is a whole other thread dedicated to discussing the merits or lack thereof of Foz News. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776/20 "2015-01-03T15:54:37Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > _“Weak programming”?!?_ Fox News has been the number one TV news channel for years now. Regardless of what you think of them ratings don’t lie. > > And I will say this once more: > > Fox News is \*\*\*LESS \*\*\*biased to the right than CNN and MSNBC are to the left. The only reason the get so much criticism is because both the majority of the other media and \*\*\*all \*\*\*of pop culture believes that liberal Democrats are the ‘norm’. And they believe that because they’re inherently shallow, ignorant, simplistic, young, under-educated and naive. > > Might as well put this in GD now… You have no idea what you’re talking about. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-gets-dished/708776.md?page=2)