# Fox News headline: "Obama Praises Indian Chief Who Killed U.S. General." The Indian: Sitting Bull **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786 "2010-11-15T21:53:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/21 "2010-11-16T02:47:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I vote for poor translation. Probably better translated as just “White Bull”, where bull= steer, and not a bull buffalo, for example. At least it was better than \*\*\*Many Lice (Oglala) \*\*\* who was sent to the happy hunting grounds at that battle. As for “White Cow Bull” it seems that he is also recognized as “White Bull” and also “Lazy White Bull” [http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1957/2/1957\_2\_4.shtml](http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1957/2/1957_2_4.shtml) > **[Lazy White Bull's Story of the Battle of the Little Bighorn](https://www.astonisher.com/archives/museum/white_bull2_little_big_horn.html)** > > Source materials for "Conversations with Crazy Horse" by Bruce Brown Another name (of another warrior) mentioned: “ **Bad Soup** ”???!!?! What kind of name is that for an Indian warrior? (I hope other historians go for the better sounding “Bad Juice”. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/22 "2010-11-16T05:18:59Z")
Aren’t those vision names? Maybe not. You get what you get. There are two historically significant chiefs (one Lakota, one Ojibwa) called “Big Foot.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/23 "2010-11-16T07:36:54Z")
I have a tribal name. They call me “Dances With Vulvas”. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/24 "2010-11-16T08:26:54Z")
**Chief Gall** would be a great username. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/25 "2010-11-16T08:40:55Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Aren’t those vision names? Maybe not. You get what you get. Why do you ask this question, Two Dogs Fuc… Oh sorry, wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/26 "2010-11-16T08:44:56Z")
Do not look, Busted Rubber, these are not the ways of our people. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/27 "2010-11-16T09:41:08Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Another name (of another warrior) mentioned: “ **Bad Soup** ”???!!?! What kind of name is that for an Indian warrior? (I hope other historians go for the better sounding “Bad Juice”. Why stop there, let’s go with **Bad Mojo.** ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/28 "2010-11-16T11:08:56Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > Why stop there, let’s go with **Bad Mojo.** Indian Blues Musician? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/29 "2010-11-16T11:32:47Z")
Stop the presses! I have reason to believe that Obama is a devoted follower of a radical Middle Eastern cult leader and martyr who, among other things, committed violent acts in a holy temple, encouraged ritualized cannibalism, spoke with demons and communed with the dead. ---
**Author:** ![MrBerious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MrBerious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrBerious)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/30 "2010-11-16T12:01:16Z")
It gets worse, this is Obama on heathcare reform: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/31 "2010-11-16T12:58:45Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Stop the presses! I have reason to believe that Obama is a devoted follower of a radical Middle Eastern cult leader and martyr who, among other things, committed violent acts in a holy temple, encouraged ritualized cannibalism, spoke with demons and communed with the dead. A _Socialist_ Middle Eastern cult leader who was soft on criminals and supported high taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/32 "2010-11-16T14:16:29Z")
This thread has given me the fever. I got the fever and there’s only one cure. More Cow Bull. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/33 "2010-11-16T14:40:27Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Trivia: U.S. Grant’s son Fred was supposed to have been there but had been given home leave because his wife had just had a baby. More trivia: Custer also left behind his bandmaster, Felix Vinatieri, whose survival enabled the birth one of the NFL’s best placekickers, Adam Vinatieri. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/34 "2010-11-16T15:59:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I vote for poor translation. Probably better translated as just “White Bull”, where bull= steer, and not a bull buffalo, for example. Exactly. Except it does refer to bison, not steer. And Sitting Bull’s “bull” really refers to male bison - \*Totonka Yotonka. \* ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/35 "2010-11-16T16:25:52Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Exactly. Except it does refer to bison, not steer. And Sitting Bull’s “bull” really refers to male bison - \*Totonka Yotonka. > \* So, White Bull would be something like _Tatonka-shan_? I prefer the “a” spellingas the first vowel first in _Tatonka_, and the “sh” is phonetic-- not sure how it is usually represented. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/36 "2010-11-16T17:21:03Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, White Bull would be something like _Tatonka-shan_? I prefer the “a” spellingas the first vowel first in _Tatonka_, and the “sh” is phonetic-- not sure how it is usually represented. No, it was more a thinly veiled way for me to say, “Oh, by the way, I’m super smart and know Sitting Bull’s \*Lakota \*name.” Now I pay for it by being questioned and not really knowing. Here’s my research: \*Tatanka \*is the preferred spelling per google. Sitting Bull is usually written _Tatanka Yotanka_, and White Bull’s name in \*Lakota \*is _Pte San Hunka_, per [here](http://amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=miniconjou1&action=print&thread=200)and several places. It doesn’t literally mean _White Bull_ or _Lazy Bull_ or _Cow Bull_, but I can’t find what it \*does \*mean. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/37 "2010-11-16T17:53:50Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Exactly. Except it does refer to bison, not steer. And Sitting Bull’s “bull” really refers to male bison - \*Totonka Yotonka. > \* Which can be sung to the tune of either “Hakuna Matata” or ‘Matchmaker (Matchmaker)’, though there’s no evidence Sitting Bull did either. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/38 "2010-11-16T17:58:03Z")
> [@MrBerious](#): > > It gets worse, this is Obama on heathcare reform: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI) Eh, he pretends to be a liberal, but everyone knows thats just the Republican plan for baby-stabbing and tax-payer whipping Romney supported. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/39 "2010-11-16T18:59:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Stop the presses! I have reason to believe that Obama is a devoted follower of a radical Middle Eastern cult leader and martyr who, among other things, committed violent acts in a holy temple, encouraged ritualized cannibalism, spoke with demons and communed with the dead. > [@Ludovic](#): > > A _Socialist_ Middle Eastern cult leader who was soft on criminals and supported high taxes. You guys rock. May I play too? That cult leader also opposed the laws governing freedom of expression, religion, and opposing the government. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/40 "2010-11-16T19:47:42Z")
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