# Fox News headline: "Obama Praises Indian Chief Who Killed U.S. General." The Indian: Sitting Bull **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786 "2010-11-15T21:53:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/61 "2010-11-17T20:36:10Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Custer got his entire command wiped out because he was an idiot. I don’t think Sitting Bull was actually a battlefield commander, but I may be mistaken. That said, Boo Hiss to Fox News for this one. Really no excuse for what they’ve done here. This is a very sweeping statement and far from the facts of how the battle and subsequent defeat transpired. The fault for this defeat starts with General Terry, who was a paperwork general, but a poor field tactician. While Custer was a fool about many things, and his actions questionable in this instance, he was a brilliant battle tactician, whose record in the Civil War was above reproach. Reno was as much to blame for the failure at Little Bighorn as anybody, but redeemed his initial cowardice once it was fully underway. There was plenty of blame to be passed around, but Custer was a conveniently dead scapegoat for the survivors. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/62 "2010-11-17T20:37:36Z")
According to these [folks](http://www.jimwegryn.com/Names/FictionNames2.htm), I’m known as “Great Canoe”, which if you’ve ever seen my attempts to actually propel myself in a canoe, would be quite laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/63 "2010-11-17T22:00:24Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > There was plenty of blame to be passed around, but Custer was a conveniently dead scapegoat for the survivors. But not in public, however, until after his widow died. I know this affected historical fiction until well into the 20th Century but I don’t know what impact it had on serious scholarship. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/64 "2010-11-17T22:07:19Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Among my people, I am “Stands With Difficulty”. Me too, though the alternate pronunciation is “tripod”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![cerberus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cerberus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cerberus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/65 "2010-11-18T00:39:14Z")
Wait until they hear that [**Crazy Horse** made sergeant.](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/books/review/Thomas-t.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/66 "2010-11-18T00:56:39Z")
And immortalized in the song “A Boy Named Sioux”. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/67 "2010-11-18T01:10:20Z")
As sung by Johnny Wampum. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/68 "2010-11-18T02:03:44Z")
When I was working for a mental health agency in the 1990s there was a movement by some association (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill- NAMI- I believe) to change the name of Crazy Horse in reference to the monument and the way he’s referred to in history books. It was believed this was offensive to the mentally ill population. Suggestions were for Wild Horse (which in truth might be closer to the actual meaning) or Tasunka Witko (or some other variant of the English transliteration of his name). Obviously it went nowhere. Personally I think they should have found out exactly what the horse’s condition was and then name it either after its symptoms (“Bipolar and boderline personality horse with recurrent episodes of hypermania”) or its DSM-IV 296.91 Horse. ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/69 "2010-11-18T02:13:15Z")
For those very interested, the last (current?) issue of “Smithsonian” magazine had a well researched and detailed account of the battle of the Little Bighorn. It included accounts from several natives, and while there was some conflicting narrative, a fairly consistent picture of exactly what happened emerged. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/70 "2010-11-18T02:52:39Z")
> [@](#): > > _Indian Casino Manager_: If you want to see the future, throw a treasured personal item onto the fire. > [Bart tosses a small object, which explodes with a bang] > Not a firecracker! > _Bart_: Hey, I bought it from a guy on your reservation. > _Manager_: That’s Crazy Talk. > _Bart_: No, it’s true. > _Manager_: No, I know, that’s my brother, Crazy Talk. We’re all a little worried about him. - From The Simpson’s “Bart to the Future” As for “Crazy as a Fox” Fox news: They changed the title of their article to say now that: “Obama Praises Indian Chief Who Defeated U.S. General" [http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/11/17/fox-news-blows-its-little-big-horn/?cxntfid=blogs\_jay\_bookman\_blog](http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/11/17/fox-news-blows-its-little-big-horn/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog) > [@](#): > > That’s actually an improvement over the original headline, which was “Obama Praises Indian Chief Who Killed U.S. General.” Fox says the headline was “corrected for historical accuracy.” > > Because Fox is all about the accuracy. > > Many readers will no doubt look at the Fox headline and scratch their heads in bafflement. Others, however, will look at that headline and understand immediately the message it was crafted to convey. You see, Fox readers have been pre-programmed to believe that Obama is anti-American and “anti-colonial,” and once such a meme has been implanted, even the most far-fetched of examples can be used to re-incite and reinforce it. > [@](#): > > It’s hard to know what, if anything, Obama can do to fend off such nonsense. Maybe it would have helped had he described Sitting Bull as a brave American who was killed trying to stop illegal immigrants from taking over his country. Or maybe he should have just dropped Sitting Bull altogether. > > Then again, Fox Nation would have gone with something such as this: > > Obama praises well-known anti-colonialist. > [Over a picture of George Washington] > > Or this: > > Obama praises black home stealer > [Over a picture of Jackie Robinson stealing home] ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/71 "2010-11-18T03:32:17Z")
So Custer was still a general and Sitting Bull is still a chief but they’ve changed it for accuracy by saying ‘defeated’ instead of ‘killed’. Okey dokey. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/72 "2010-11-18T03:33:18Z")
Hey, where are all the Foxapologists? (Apolofoxists? Pholxabologists? Foxallopolists?) You’re telling me no one’s mentioned Dan Rather in earnest? My one, half-assed attempt at the crazy was _it_? WTF? Where’s the “Fair and Balanced!” crew? Where’s the _but they’re just a counterbalance to equally biased reporting from the left and besides they’re Fare and Ballantzed_ gang? Where’s the creative defense? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/73 "2010-11-18T03:40:47Z")
Missed edit window: :eek: Holy shit, I’d never been to FoxNation before. Whoa, that’s a scarily distorted world they have. But my fav: [Fox Nation Salutes: November Marks Native American Heritage Month](http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2010/11/17/november-marks-native-american-heritage-month) ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/74 "2010-11-18T03:55:28Z")
[This has been around awhile](http://bullmurph.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/native-americans-fighting-terrorism-warriors-braves-fighters2.gif), but, doesn’t really get old in the scope of things. Different Tribe, same ol same ol bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/75 "2010-11-18T08:30:41Z")
> [@MrBerious](#): > > It gets worse, this is Obama on heathcare reform: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI) Wow. This is the most insightful, nuanced political message I’ve ever seen. Seriously though - is this for real? I mean, it’s not parody, right? I really can’t tell anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/76 "2010-11-18T13:30:24Z")
It’s probably parody, but it’s so painfully close to actual attitudes that I had to switch it off with that “render unto Caesar” line. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/77 "2010-11-23T16:08:09Z")
Never looked at FoxNation before. I may start now, just for the [yuks it provides!](http://nation.foxnews.com/airport-screening/2010/11/23/tsa-says-we-smell) ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/78 "2010-11-26T21:54:40Z")
> [@Mr Bus Guy](#): > > Never looked at FoxNation before. I may start now, just for the [yuks it provides!](http://nation.foxnews.com/airport-screening/2010/11/23/tsa-says-we-smell) It seems to me, though, that they don’t quite understand the notion of satire. [http://gawker.com/5699648/foxnationcom-doesnt-seem-to-get-the-onion](http://gawker.com/5699648/foxnationcom-doesnt-seem-to-get-the-onion) > [@](#): > > Fox News subsidiary Fox Nation posted an excerpt from a satirical Onion article in the “culture” section of its site on Friday. The only problem: They didn’t tell anyone it was a joke. > > As Mediaite notes, if you head on over to Fox Nation’s Culture page, you’ll see a bunch of real news articles: “Rush Outraged At Obama’s Thanksgiving Proclamation,” “Woman Wears Bikini to LAX,” “Adam Lambert Smokes Pot on Stage.” And then there’s “Frustrated Obama Sends Nation Rambling 75,000-Word E-Mail”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/79 "2010-11-26T23:07:54Z")
Custer was a jackass on a jackass mission. Decent people do not ethnic cleanse. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2010, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786/80 "2010-11-27T03:30:57Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Nitpick: Custer was a colonel at Little Bighorn. Not even a full bird Colonel, but a Lt. Col. [http://www.nps.gov/archive/libi/custer.html](http://www.nps.gov/archive/libi/custer.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-headline-obama-praises-indian-chief-who-killed-u-s-general-the-indian-sitting-bull/560786.md?page=3)