# Fox News host destroyed by facts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493 "2017-02-22T18:52:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/21 "2017-02-22T21:17:02Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Some of the guests should be placed in padded rooms. When he hires actors to play the roles of liberals should they be locked up for playing their role well? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/22 "2017-02-22T21:25:50Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > How come you didn’t remark on Tucker Carlson’s attractiveness? What’s that thing called where you treat people differently based on gender? I know there’s a term for that… I did, I commented on his bow tie, and his current look is much better now post bow-tie. Megyn Kelly’s look is worse now post hair cut. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/23 "2017-02-22T21:46:53Z")
I’ve never watched Tucker Carlson before this. He seems to have all the knowledge of a misinformed, opinionated, angry corner bar patron. All I can say is that he’s on the right network, and misinforming the right people. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/24 "2017-02-22T21:49:19Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Don’t you want to throw in some comments about declawing cats, Blinky? Circumcision…you forgot circumcision. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/25 "2017-02-22T21:49:36Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I’ve never watched Tucker Carlson before this. He seems to have all the knowledge of a misinformed, opinionated, angry corner bar patron. All I can say is that he’s on the right network, and misinforming the right people. He’s the one “Guy who looks like he went to college” that they listen to. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/26 "2017-02-22T21:52:52Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I’ve never watched Tucker Carlson before this. He seems to have all the knowledge of a misinformed, opinionated, angry corner bar patron. All I can say is that he’s on the right network, and misinforming the right people. Are we sure Blinkyandpinky isn’t Tucker Carlson? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/27 "2017-02-22T21:57:17Z")
I watched the video. I disagree that Carlson was “destroyed by facts” or otherwise destroyed. It’s clear that the guy had a better command of the facts than Carlson did. This is to be expected, since the guy is a professional immigration analyst and Carlson is an all purpose talk-show yapper. But that specified, Carlson did OK. The main “facts” that Carlson got “wrong” were number of immigrants from different countries and net fiscal impact of illegal immigrants. The first of these is misleading, IMO, and the guy and Carlson were talking about different things. The guy was referring to the number of people arriving in a given year. Carlson was talking about the number of such people in the country at this time. So it can be true both that there are currently more immigrants in this country from Central America than from any other area and also that in recent years more have been arriving from Asia than from Mexico/Central America. (Mexican/Central American immigration has leveled off considerably since the recession and the construction bust.) ISTM that Carlson’s number is more significant. As to the second, there have been analyses done purporting to show both that immigrants are a net boon and a net cost to the economy. Various studies are cited in [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States). This guy picked one study that supported his viewpoint, and Carlson frankly should have been better prepared on this score, but I don’t think he was destroyed by “facts” - more like wounded by lack of preparation. I also think the guy was weaseling somewhat in parrying Carlson’s questions about welfare by saying “well we should cut welfare generally” and Carlson is correct in saying that these are separate issues at this time and it’s extremely difficult to cut welfare programs once they get started. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/28 "2017-02-22T22:05:44Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > The first of these is misleading, IMO, and the guy and Carlson were talking about different things. The guy was referring to the number of people arriving in a given year. He specifically cited the overall foreign-born population. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > This guy picked one study that supported his viewpoint, and Carlson frankly should have been better prepared on this score, but I don’t think he was destroyed by “facts” - more like wounded by lack of preparation. One can always say “there’s a bunch of studies therefore there is no truth.” But there’s a reason we have the National Academy of Sciences. Beyond that, there were a number of other points on which Carlson was just objectively wrong, such as the national origin of immigrants. I’m glad you watched the video though. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/29 "2017-02-22T22:08:27Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > He specifically cited the overall foreign-born population. Who? The guy or Carlson? > [@](#): > > One can always say “there’s a bunch of studies therefore there is no truth.” That would be silly. What does make sense is that “there’s a bunch of studies therefore you can’t prove you’re right by pointing to one of them”. > [@](#): > > Beyond that, there were a number of other points on which Carlson was just objectively wrong, such as the national origin of immigrants. I addressed this above. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/30 "2017-02-22T22:10:55Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Who? The guy or Carlson? The guy, in contrast to Carlson’s claim about the same figure. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That would be silly. What does make sense is that “there’s a bunch of studies therefore you can’t prove you’re right by pointing to one of them”. No, what you’d do is cite the study you think is correct and explain why the others are wrong–which is what happened in the video. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/31 "2017-02-22T22:13:51Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I watched the video. I disagree that Carlson was “destroyed by facts” or otherwise destroyed. Agreed - it presupposes there is something substantial about Carlson to destroy in the first place, and that’s just lacking any evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/32 "2017-02-22T22:21:42Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > The guy, in contrast to Carlson’s claim about the same figure. I don’t think this is correct. You can see a (somewhat imperfect) transcript [here](https://grabien.com/file.php?id=165527). He refers to “sending immigrants to the US today” and “new immigrants”. He’s not talking about the current total immigrant population. > [@](#): > > No, what you’d do is cite the study you think is correct and explain why the others are wrong–which is what happened in the video. I didn’t see the guy refer to any other studies of the net impact of immigration, let alone explain why they’re wrong. [He did refer to studies which counted welfare payments to native-born children of immigrants, but if you ask me, those payments _should_ be counted in assessing the net cost-benefit of immigration, in opposition to his claim.] ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/33 "2017-02-22T22:42:17Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > He is smacking down liberals and lunatics Ah… er… dude, they’re _[actors](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/21/tucker-carlson-couldn-t-debate-the-anti-trump-organizer-he-wanted-so-this-actor-stepped-up.html)_. Tucker Carlson is _fake news_. Also… and I really hate to be the one to break this to you… but neither [William Shatner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series) nor [Tim Allen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Quest) actually flew in space, and those “poor people” were not actually stuck on Gilligan’s Island. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/34 "2017-02-22T23:34:04Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Ah… er… dude, they’re _[actors](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/21/tucker-carlson-couldn-t-debate-the-anti-trump-organizer-he-wanted-so-this-actor-stepped-up.html)_. Tucker Carlson is _fake news_. It’s a human strawman!!! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/35 "2017-02-23T00:24:58Z")
That Tucker Carlson still gets airtime is a tribute to America’s willingness to give a dork a second chance. Though I do tend to agree it was not so much “destroyed” as schooled about being prepared with a real argument. > [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > One can always say “there’s a bunch of studies therefore there is no truth.” But there’s a reason we have the National Academy of Sciences. \*That \*will be taken care of soon enough. (Wait… wasn’t “there is no objective truth, only how you perceive the world” supposed to be the province of pinko longhair quiche-eating eurotrashy professors, while red-blooded God-fearing All-American Real Men were all about cold hard facts? When the Hell did the memo go out switching it around?) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/36 "2017-02-23T02:56:51Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Ah… er… dude, they’re _[actors](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/21/tucker-carlson-couldn-t-debate-the-anti-trump-organizer-he-wanted-so-this-actor-stepped-up.html)_. Tucker Carlson is _fake news_. > > Also… and I really hate to be the one to break this to you… but neither [William Shatner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series) nor [Tim Allen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Quest) actually flew in space, and those “poor people” were not actually stuck on Gilligan’s Island. Wait, what’s this about the historical documents? Anyway, thanks for pointing that video out. I’ve never watched Mr. Carlson and I see I haven’t missed much. That guy is an idiot. Wow. And, he really was destroyed, and by a libertarian! I can’t believe that someone from Cato had a better grasp on reality. That’s really setting a low bar. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/37 "2017-02-23T17:32:57Z")
Yes that was a good argument put forth by the Cato guy. He made an excellent argument for illegal immigration, which is the kind I support. The argument for increased legal immigration is good, but not as good as the argument for increasing illegal immigration by gutting enforcement. Libertarians are really the only people that can speak with coherence on immigration, even though some right-wing libertarians are way off the mark on the issue. Liberals have some good moral arguments in favor of immigration when they talk about the violence of state action against immigrants. Unfortunately they more often go too far and talk about silly things like multiculturalism and diversity. They cannot explain why it is ok to limit immigration from Western Europe for example. Tucker Carlson is actually ok sometimes. For example he absolutely destroyed Adam Schiff and that reporter from Washington Post. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/38 "2017-02-23T18:04:03Z")
Yeah, I don’t see the destruction here. Carlson seems to come off reasonably well, and for all the digs I’ve seen about Fox News, this seems like a pretty substantive discussion of the issues. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/39 "2017-02-24T04:47:05Z")
“They’re going to be mowing my lawn and doing my laundry”, Tucker “horse projectile vomit for brains” Carlson. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493/40 "2017-02-28T21:40:37Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > “They’re going to be mowing my lawn and doing my laundry”, Tucker “horse projectile vomit for brains” Carlson. Frankly I think this is where the CATO guy missed his chance to twist the knife. “Yes! Exactly. They’re going to be doing the jobs native born Americans won’t do, like your lawn work and laundry. And they’re going to raise your standard of living by giving you the chance to do other productive work instead of spending your time doing low-wage labor yourself. Or they’re going to allow you, and millions of middle-class Americans, to keep more money in your pocket by doing your laundry and lawnwork for less money than a non-immigrant would charge. AND both you and they will be paying taxes on the money you pay them and they’ll pay into the property taxes for their school district when they pay their rent, probably to a middle-class landlord, or a property company whose shareholders, and employees, are mostly middle class Americans.” Enjoy, Steven [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-host-destroyed-by-facts/780493.md?page=1)