# Fox News "isn't working for us anymore" sayeth Trump (?!?) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 30, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474 "2019-08-30T14:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/1 "2019-08-30T14:04:12Z")
So recently, the president said “Fox News isn’t working for us anymore”, based on their coverage recently. This started a controversy involving Fox News, where they’re apparently very irritated saying they don’t work for him, etc… Anyone else find this hilarious? Both that Trump thinks that Fox isn’t doing \*enough \*for him, and that the Fox people think that they’re somehow independent? It seems so absurd that it should be the tagline on the Onion, or a skit on a sketch comedy show to me. > **[Brit Hume Slams Trump for Criticizing Network: 'Fox News Isn't Supposed to...](https://people.com/politics/brit-hume-donald-trump-fox-news-doesnt-work-for-you/)** > > President Donald Trump declared that Fox News "isn't working for us anymore" after he watched an interview with the DNC communications director. > **[Fox News personalities deliver a blow to Trump after he demands their loyalty](https://www.salon.com/2019/08/29/fox-news-personalities-deliver-a-blow-to-trump-after-he-demands-loyalty-we-dont-work-for-you/)** > > "We don't work for you," one Fox News contributor says ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/2 "2019-08-30T14:24:09Z")
Trump watches Fox News for hours a day to get his marching orders and performance feedback, but he thinks he’s calling the shots. Bless his pudgy orange heart. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/3 "2019-08-30T14:40:07Z")
Whatever small independence Fox news has exhibited will fold to the pressure of the MAGA cult. I fully expect they will be brought in line as loyal Trump propagandists that they are. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/4 "2019-08-30T14:48:40Z")
It’s funny because there used to be just the thinnest layer of plausible deniability about it. It’s like telling a cop that you couldn’t walk a straight line even if you were sober! On the bright side, people that leave the administration certainly have no trouble working for Faux. (And vice versa, naturally.) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/5 "2019-08-30T15:07:16Z")
This is “Our pet rabid dingo bit us in the ass!” funny. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/6 "2019-08-30T15:29:58Z")
Nah, this is just “working the refs.” The more he derides them for the slightest bit of even-handedness, the more pressure they’ll be under to drop it like a hot potato. Trump’s competent in only one thing, but he’s really good as a bully. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/7 "2019-08-30T18:13:36Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Nah, this is just “working the refs.” The more he derides them for the slightest bit of even-handedness, the more pressure they’ll be under to drop it like a hot potato. > > Trump’s competent in only one thing, but he’s really good as a bully. He’s so skilled at being a bully that he was the inspiration for Biff Tannen from the Back To The Future movies. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/8 "2019-08-30T18:23:24Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Trump watches Fox News for hours a day to get his marching orders and performance feedback, but he thinks he’s calling the shots. Bless his pudgy orange heart. Yeah the organization seems to be rich ideological zealots -\> media echo chambers -\> republican politicians and voters Part of me wonders if Trump’s trade war dropping the dow was somehow related to this. Did Trump finally piss off the rich who truly run the GOP and their media propaganda outlets? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/9 "2019-08-30T19:57:31Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Yeah the organization seems to be > > rich ideological zealots -\> media echo chambers -\> republican politicians and voters > > Part of me wonders if Trump’s trade war dropping the dow was somehow related to this. Did Trump finally piss off the rich who truly run the GOP and their media propaganda outlets? Perhaps the other way round. He claimed to have spoken to the Chinese, a claim they quickly refuted. According to an article I found (and then lost) online it was a pure fabrication intended to boost the Dow back up. Did he really think that would work? Of course he did. What am I saying? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/10 "2019-08-30T20:41:15Z")
Before I chuck this thread into The BBQ Pit with all things Trumpian, could the OP construct an actual thesis for debate? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/11 "2019-08-31T01:49:56Z")
What everyone (especially Donald Trump) seems to forget is that Fox News was around before Trump, and Fox News intends to be around after 2021, or 2025, or whenever the current resident finally is dragged from the White House. Trump probably thinks he’s responsible for Fox News’ success. He’s wrong. If anything, Fox News is responsible for Trump’s success, and Trump better remember that. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/12 "2019-09-03T15:06:02Z")
Conservatives need to understand that that eventually, Trump turns on everyone. If he hasn’t turned on you, it just means he hasn’t got around to you yet. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/13 "2019-09-03T17:42:29Z")
Far be it for me to defend Donald, but in general the network’s purpose is to promote the Republican Party. He sees their mentioning of negative polls as being contrary to their electoral prospects and thinks they’re being disloyal. Like most Fox viewers, he expects to see news that reinforce his preconceptions and doesn’t understand that the desired reality differs from objective reality. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/14 "2019-09-06T07:11:35Z")
[Fox News anchor Shepard Smith seems to have turned against the Commander-in-Chief; he has called attention to Trump-tweets that aren’t quite true.](https://www.mediaite.com/trump/fake-news-defined-shepard-smith-destroys-trumps-fake-sharpie-map-by-listing-off-his-biggest-whoppers/) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-isnt-working-for-us-anymore-sayeth-trump/839474/15 "2019-09-06T11:01:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Fox News anchor Shepard Smith seems to have turned against the Commander-in-Chief; he has called attention to Trump-tweets that aren’t quite true.](https://www.mediaite.com/trump/fake-news-defined-shepard-smith-destroys-trumps-fake-sharpie-map-by-listing-off-his-biggest-whoppers/) And John Roberts was [summoned](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/05/politics/donald-trump-alabama-fox-news-white-house/index.html) into the Oval office to make sure the state news network gets back in line. \* “Fox News senior White House correspondent John Roberts had just finished his 3 p.m. live shot on Thursday when President Donald Trump beckoned him into the Oval Office. The President had one argument to make, according to an internal Fox email Roberts sent about the meeting provided to CNN.” "A White House aide familiar with the Oval Office meeting with Roberts said that Trump also voiced his displeasure about Fox News anchor Shepard Smith’s skeptical reporting about the Alabama map. The President summoned Roberts “to hit back at Shepard Smith,” the White House aide said."\*