# France and the cartoons of Mohammed; what's your take? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221 "2020-10-29T16:49:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/522 "2020-11-06T13:45:42Z")
[My point being that neither the cartoonists nor any muslim protestors against them should be silenced in a free society] ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/523 "2020-11-06T13:45:44Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > the general appeasing of extreme Islamicists Not being a dick to all Muslims is about more than just appeasing Islamicists. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/524 "2020-11-06T13:46:51Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > > > the general appeasing of extreme Islamicists > > Not being a dick to all Muslims is about more than just appeasing Islamicists It is not the government’s place to stop people from being dicks. Your position is that no matter how minor, being a dick is leading to genocide. That is a load of horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/525 "2020-11-06T13:49:18Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So we areback to moving the goal posts Don’t blame me if your cherry-picking skills are this shitty, mate. Or maybe there’s a reason there weren’t any better examples for you to pick… > [@Babale](#): > > a fairly middle eastern Jesus Yeah, _full_ of blondes, the ancient Middle East was 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/526 "2020-11-06T13:50:02Z")
@MrDibble - here’s a hypothetical. What if Muslim protestors took to the streets of France, demanding that evolution not be taught in schools? Would you remove Darwin from textbooks to avoid offending them? Christians here in the US have protested for this very reason. It is deeply offensive to them that you would imply that God did not create the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th, or that man evolved from ape. Muslims don’t believe in evolution either, and consider apes unclean. That being the case, it is easy to see how they might be offended if you tried to teach their children that man evolved from ape, and to indoctrinate their kids with evolution. Should we back down to religious pressure under that scenario? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/527 "2020-11-06T13:54:20Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > It is not the government’s place to stop people from being dicks. It should be, when the dickery is racism. > [@Babale](#): > > Your position is that no matter how minor, being a dick is leading to genocide. Again with the making up a position for me. No, my position is that freely allowing the form of dickery that is racism is a symptom of the kind of society that genocides. And that the kind of society that stamps down on racism is better than the kind that doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/528 "2020-11-06T13:56:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > And that the kind of society that stamps down on racism is better than the kind that doesn’t. I thought you said since we were talking about religion this couldn’t possibly have anything to do with racism? Now I’m really fucking confused ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/529 "2020-11-06T13:56:26Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > It’s obviously not racism he’s talking about. See here ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/530 "2020-11-06T13:58:17Z")
If there was a god, this would get moved to the Pit so we could have an adult conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/531 "2020-11-06T14:01:42Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > If there was a god, this would get moved to the Pit so we could have an adult conversation A god who allowed this thread to go this far in GD isn’t worthy of worship in the first place! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/532 "2020-11-06T14:01:50Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > @MrDibble - here’s a hypothetical You can take your hypothetical and stick it into the strawman you’ve constructed where I am only interested in appeasing every whim of the religious. And then you can set it on fire, because it bears no relation to my arguments outside the obviously vehemently antitheist projection running in your head. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/533 "2020-11-06T14:02:59Z")
“I don’t think people of one faith should be able to force their religious beliefs on others” “ANTI-THEIST!” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/534 "2020-11-06T14:03:16Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Now I’m really fucking confused Just _now_? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/535 "2020-11-06T14:03:59Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > {…} obviously vehemently antitheist {…} Quoted without comment, but with a giant nod of agreement! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/536 "2020-11-06T14:04:46Z")
You clearly have a problem not just with Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/537 "2020-11-06T14:05:41Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I thought you said since we were talking about religion this couldn’t possibly have anything to do with racism? Did I? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/538 "2020-11-06T14:06:32Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You clearly have a problem not just with Muslims I have no problem with Muslims. I have a problem with anyone who forces their system of belief on others by insisting they behave according to laws based on their own faith. Some of those people are Muslims. The majority of them, especially where I live, are Christians. And a few are Jewish people related to me. How you practice at home or in your place of worship is between you and your deity. But don’t bring religion into matters of policy. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/539 "2020-11-06T14:16:48Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I have no problem with Muslims. Yeah, people who _don’t_ have problems with religions always refer to them as “barbaric”…🙄 You have a problem with Christians, and you have a problem with Muslims. That much is clear. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/540 "2020-11-06T14:17:35Z")
For a great example of religious people who aren’t Christians or Muslims getting all up in everyone else’s business, just look at marriage law in Israel, which has to go through the religious authorities of the participants. Marriages have to go through the ultra-orthodox religious authothorities who think they get to dictate who other people can and cannot marry. Unfortunately with Israel’s parliamentary system and this being such an important issue for the religious far right, it is difficult to overturn this. Thankfully the Supreme Court ruled that Israel must recognize marriages performed in other countries, so people who are hurt by this can just take a cruise to Cyprus and marry there. It’s still the sort of oppressive BS you get when you give the religious right the ability to control aspects of government. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/541 "2020-11-06T14:19:06Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yeah, people who _don’t_ have problems with religions always refer to them as “barbaric”…🙄 I used the term “barbaric” to refer to the belief system that would refuse to serve a gay couple at your bakery. Any belief system leading to this outcome is barbaric, be it Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. But thanks for dishonestly implying I called Muslims “barbarians” like some of the actual racists in the thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221.md?page=28)