# France and the cartoons of Mohammed; what's your take? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221 "2020-10-29T16:49:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/602 "2020-11-07T18:22:11Z")
Jesus was a white as Muhammad. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/603 "2020-11-07T18:29:32Z")
> [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > I have made no accusations. > [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > Those condoning or promoting bias when judging others denote a desire to fight only their opponents’ racism, but not racism in general, and especially not their own. 🤨 > [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > This is a **vulgar** and **hollow** comment that demonstrates **rudeness** and lack of arguments. > A debate carried out in good faith involves being **polite**. Cognitive dissonance demonstrated in two sentences. > [@](#): > > Please stop making comments about my person and avoid using the pronoun “you.” No, I won’t, since I’m not debating Multivac _and_ the comments I made were relevant to **your** own comments about emotions. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/604 "2020-11-07T18:30:57Z")
i.e. not at all. ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/605 "2020-11-07T18:45:59Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > 🤨 Nonverbal, and therefore void in a “great debates” discussion. The post quoted there includes a general statement. Please explain your original claim. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Cognitive dissonance demonstrated in two sentences. Again, there is no demonstration here. Nothing but claims supported by no arguments. > [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I won’t, since I’m not debating Multivac _and_ the comments I made were relevant to **your** own comments about emotions. Please refrain from making comments about my person. We can discuss my posts and the ideas included in them. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/606 "2020-11-07T18:56:48Z")
> [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > Nonverbal, and therefore void in a “great debates” discussion. 🙄 > [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > The post quoted there includes a general statement. > [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > **Your** fragmented discourse lacks the supporting evidence that would make **your** position rational instead of merely emotional, “General”, my ass. It’s the tail of a conversation chain that’s very much _personal_. > [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > Please refrain from making comments about my person. We can discuss my posts and the ideas included in them. Like I said - you first. ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/607 "2020-11-07T19:04:15Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > “General”, my ass. It’s the tail of a conversation chain that’s very much _personal_ . A debate involves referring to the opponent’s positions, statements and ideas - it is okay that one should make comments about these. It is inappropriate to discuss the person. Your reply includes vulgarity again, which undeniably makes it vulgar. I find this debate style inappropriate for a “great debate” conversation. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Like I said - you first. The rules of this board refer to comments about the person one debates with and the use of the pronoun “you.” Please refrain from making comments about my person. We can discuss my posts and the ideas included in them. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/608 "2020-11-07T19:07:07Z")
MrDibble you’re a potty mouth and you need to be junior modded . . . unlike that other poster that made it clear either you agreed with their position or you were pro murder, which isn’t personal at all. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/609 "2020-11-07T20:10:03Z")
> [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > The rules of this board refer to […] the use of the pronoun “you.” They do? Must have missed that one. Care to post a link to this rule? ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/610 "2020-11-07T20:25:09Z")
I can only find the new rules, which clearly stipulate the following: _We’re here for fun, not harming others. Personalizing posts is usually a bad idea. Comment on the content of the commentary and not on the person making it._ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/611 "2020-11-07T20:39:46Z")
> [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > I can only find the new rules, which clearly stipulate the following: > > _We’re here for fun, not harming others. Personalizing posts is usually a bad idea. Comment on the content of the commentary and not on the person making it._ So, absolutely nothing like, > [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > The rules of this board refer to comments about the person one debates with **and the use of the pronoun “you.”** ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/612 "2020-11-07T21:00:34Z")
> [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > We’re here for fun, not harming others _Referencing your stated debate position_ is _harming_ you, now? The obvious intent of my rhetorical questions was to reinforce the same point the subsequent sentence made more directly. Great Debates is not Lithium Logic Camp. Affect and emotion are very much a part of debate rhetoric and always have been. ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/613 "2020-11-07T21:14:57Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Great Debates is not Lithium Logic Camp. Affect and emotion are very much a part of debate rhetoric and always have been. A debate is not great if it lacks arguments for the position one chooses to support. I stand by what I stated about emotions and their contribution to bias, “where all the racism seems to stem from.” - because we all seem to be against racism here. Bias may be difficult to circumvent or overcome, but that is why we should resort to reason as an instrument to fight inherent prejudices. I am against the excessive use of emotional techniques and lenience toward bias because they are likely to lead to negative results. > [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > The negative consequences of the bias carried in all human social interactions can only be fought with the aid of people’s rational abilities. Those condoning or promoting bias when judging others denote a desire to fight only their opponents’ racism, but not racism in general, and especially not their own. I am willing to abide by the new rules of the forum, which still mention the obligation that people should comment on the content of what one posts and not the poster. Please do not refer to me as a robot or anything else. I am willing to discuss my posts and the ideas included in them. I think this is what the new rules recommend as well: > [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > We’re here for fun, not harming others. Personalizing posts is usually a bad idea. Comment on the content of the commentary and not on the person making it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/614 "2020-11-07T21:18:29Z")
> [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > Please do not refer to me as a robot or anything else. Never did (in this thread). Do you not know what a rhetorical question actually is? ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/615 "2020-11-07T21:23:00Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Never did (in this thread). Do you not know what a rhetorical question actually is? That was a false rhetorical question - it was a loaded one. It implied that if one chooses to resort to reason instead of emotion, one would be reduced to some kind of machine or fictional character. This is the last time I reply to one of your posts containing the pronoun “you”. It may not be specified in the rules, but I think there are better ways to carry out a “great debate.” ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/616 "2020-11-07T21:57:52Z")
Slightly off topic, but I’m seeing self-censorship now, such as a nice YouTube video on Dante’s Inferno, where the narrator bluntly said, “I’m going to skip ahead a bit now,” and went right past Mohammed eviscerated in hell. Are we going to see bowdlerized Dante in future? ---
**Author:** ![XAEA\_12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/f0a364/32.png) [@XAEA\_12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XAEA_12)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/617 "2020-11-07T22:22:44Z")
Probably. Why would anyone risk getting murdered by some zealot for doing something that might be interpreted as saying the wrong thing about Mohammed? ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/618 "2020-11-08T01:40:59Z")
Moderating: Closed at the request of the OP because it has gone too far off the rails. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/619 "2020-11-08T01:42:59Z")
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**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221/620 "2020-11-08T02:02:08Z")
Moderating: This has gotten so vitriolic, I am moving it to the pit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/france-and-the-cartoons-of-mohammed-whats-your-take/924221.md?page=30)