Which is why so few want to come and live here of course
Did I say “population”? I’m pretty sure I said “group”. What a very specific gloss you put on it …
I await your imminent publication of Picaninny Comics with eager anticipation…
Obvious fallacy is obvious - that there are darker places (largely of the West’s creation) doesn’t make the new place any less dark.
Also, many of the Muslims I’m talking about didn’t “come and live” there, they were born there.
Substitute as you wish, still waiting for your answer
I am free to write a publication, you are free to find it offensive and rebut, criticise and protest accordingly. That is the way it should be.
I’d suggest though that instead of tilting at windmills you actually wait until something is produced and actually understand what it represents and what its message and purpose is.
You are implicitly putting criticism of Islam and Mohammed on the same level as obvious outright racial hatred and incitement. That is certainly what the Islamists want you to do so good job, carry on that brave fight, do that heavy lifting for them, they’ll be very proud of you.
Hey, you said “dark place” regarding Europe. I assumed you meant therefore it was worse than everywhere else.
I was unaware your scale started at “dark” and just got worse from there. I’m happy to go with that and state that Europe and the West in general is the lightest shade of dark.
Why, racists, of course.
Try publishing The Windrush Picaninnies : A Comic Satire (now with fuller lips, wider noses! ) or The Eternal Jew and Why Hitler Was Misunderstood: A Graphic Novel and see how free you are…
I thought I was being quite explicit about it. Because that is what it’s all about. Muslims = scary brown people. In scary lines, stretching Europe to its … breaking point. As it were…
Well, when others on your side can deign to consider them people, and not “sort-of-humans”, that is…
As the Neo-nazis and Le Pens and Farages of the Right are well chuffed with you, no doubt.
Yeah, whole lot of assuming of what I meant going on in this thread…funny how it’s always the kind of assuming that assumes the worst.
The West “in general”, if you’re including places like New Zealand and Canada, sure. France, not so much.
OK.
There is in fact a huge volume of racist literature available for sale at any given outlet where literature is sold, and it’s at your local library too. It is, in fact, protected by free speech in countries which respect that value and - hold on to your heads - it’s advertised and sold without anyone being murdered over it. Your ceaselessly repeated assertion that this sort of material doesn’t exist remains incorrect, as does your equivocation of “criticism of Islamic terrorism” with “racism” and the implied support of murdering cartoonists in whose service it is deployed.
circular argument
No, that isn’t what this discussion is about.
I despise them and their views. I just wouldn’t ban them from spewing it and would loudly condemn violence against them for doing so.
quite rich considering your assumptions about the motivations of cartoonists and critics of Islam.
Yeah, I’m sure there is. And irrelevant.
“this 1935 book” “Published in 1925” “January 1, 1929”
I wasn’t saying “I bet you can’t get old racist literature republished”, buddy.
I was saying one can’t create one’s own new racist caricatures of Jews or Blacks and expect them to just be accepted by most of Western society as societal satire.
Only one of your examples is even illustrated.
Again, making up shit I didn’t say.
It’s starting to look a lot less like “assuming” by all of you, and a lot more like “projecting”.
Implied where? In the posts where I’ve directly said murder is bad? That’s some grasp of logic you clearly don’t have, there.
“I don’t trust racists to properly assess racism” is not a circular argument.
That is what “criticism of Islam and Mohammed” is about. Very much so.
But happy to carry their water.
And you think I don’t despise Islamicism and its views?
And that is where we differ. I would. Happily. I’d ban them and I’d ban Islamicist views. And I wouldn’t shit on all the other Muslims while I did it, either.
I’m not assuming, there. I’m looking at the racist trash media they actually produced, unlike the posters putting words in my mouth I never said.
What do you call an argument that goes: ‘Everyone who disagrees with me is a racist.’
I don’t expect them to be accepted. I’d expect to receive quite a bit of criticism. I’d expect to be vilified and shunned out of the public eye. “Cancel culture”, if you will.
However, should I choose to make something in such a bad taste, what I should not expect is either government censorship or a violent or murderous reaction.
I bet you’re impossible to shop for.
A strawman?
Of course, CH comics are nothing like either of those things. They don’t call for the extermination or enslavement of an entire race, so they got that going for them, which is nice.
N_B wasn’t arguing about what the government would or wouldn’t censor, he was arguing about what was and wasn’t the social “norms”. Specifically “The norms are that no target is off limits.” That’s clearly bullshit. I was responding to that.
Of course, nobody here is advocating for violence or murder, so that part’s irrelevant.
Is all criticism of Jesus and Christianity due to fear and hatred of Christians? Or is some of it because Christianity is an oppressive ideology with repressive ideas about sex, gender, orientation, women’s role in society, etc etc?
No, you’re right. They’re worse. At least picaninnies would be human caricatures. Not monkeys.
Is it?
Help me parse your argument. You said:
Some of us disagree that CH can be fairly characterized as a racist publication. Is our judgement suspect? If so, why?
There aren’t enough eye roll smilies in the world for you.
Mmmm, if only there was some difference between Islam and Christianity with regard to its status in Europe…
Is your argument that none of the criticism of Islam in Europe is because of racism? That Islamophobia doesn’t exist?
Yes, because you dared to disagree with MrDibble.
Nope! I’ve already said I agree some of the cartoons cross the line, almost all are in poor taste, and that Islamophobia is bad and a problem. Got any more strawmen?