France and the cartoons of Mohammed; what's your take?

If the only reason black people found blackface offensive was NOT because of its history with minstrel shows and the way its been used to denigrate blacks in America for centuries, but instead because of a religious prohibition, I wouldn’t consider blackface offensive.

There isn’t.

There is, though, a weight to be assigned to people’s fears, on whether they are reasonable or not, based on past lived experience. So when I say I don’t fear the Caliphate, it’s not some intellectual statement, and my past lived experience is why I reject any arguments based off that fear I don’t have.
“Death”, you said your answer was. Well, no, that isn’t true.

Slippery slope again, eh?

I haven’t been arguing against them based on the degree of murderousness of the response. Just the racist offense.

How dare you sir? If I can’t put on black face and speak in AAVE so I can critique black drug gangs then sir we are not truly free!

I didn’t realize there was a long history of slavery of Muslims in the United States and that even after slavery Minstrel Shows used depictions of Muhammed to try and disparage Muslims and dehumanize them. My bad

It’s entirely possible to draw a depiction of Muhammad that isn’t racist (although the motivation behind doing so will probably remain a racist one). But as a caricature? I highly doubt it.

So you think ALL political cartoons are bad?

Eta: I wish you’d just come out and said ‘all caricatures of non white targets are vile, racist, and hateful’ from day 1 so we didn’t waste so much time then.

No, just the racist ones.

Silly me, I might have known.

So how much does the government need to pay you to have you look at every cartoon published to decree the sentence?

It becomes clearer and clearer.

By the way, you never answered whether the depiction of the Budah or Jesus is enough to get that cartoonist censured, or if only Muhammad crossed a line.

More cryptic one liners alleging racism.

I’ll humor you – WHAT is becoming clearer?

Given the quote, how can it be about race?
I don’t think the rules allow me to be as clear as I’d like to be.

:roll_eyes: yep, cryptic one liners alleging racism all the way down

Directly from them? Not much (unless you’re living in France).
However, the general appeasing of extreme Islamicists comes from the fact is that enough Islamicists murder people in broad daylight, not from any real respect for their beliefs. Nobody cares if they insult sikhs or christians or hindus even remotely in the same way, and, I gather, it’s for the lack of broad-daylight-decaptiation-in-Europe-ness.

White Jesus and Fat Buddha aren’t racist portrayals of a real person. They’re caricatures of made-up images already.

It’s obviously not racism he’s talking about.

Gotcha. So we areback to moving the goal posts in order to ensure that any portrayal of Muhammed is highly offensive and anything else is not.

By the way, the cartoon has a fairly middle eastern Jesus, but w/e.

Then I have no idea what he IS talking about. Is it becoming clearer and clearer that I don’t particularly care if people’s religious beliefs are broken by others or by the state, so long as nobody is forced to break their own religious prohibition against their will? Because if so, good, I’ve been saying that over and over, it SHOULD get clear.

Don’t be too sure the French are all about appeasement, not what Macron is saying now nor historically when the cops were murdering Arab protesters in the 1950s.

And let me be clear and say that this would not be an appropriate response at all. In a free society people should be free to express themselves, but also free to criticize others’ self expression. They’re just not free to silence it.