Not all cartoons or depictions are caricatures. I was quite specifically referencing caricature. So yes, making up shit I didn’t say.
I don’t like the banning of face coverings.
Holocaust denial is such a very specific issue of something terrible tht happened in living memory. Still, it wasn’t done because there were roaming bands of Jews decapitating Holocaust deniers, in fact, that would’ve made it more difficult to enact.
i don’t beleive, however to every specific instance of restrictions of freedom of speech are bad, however, they should be the least possible and never, made out of fear or, in a lay state, for religious reasons.
Incitement to crime is not freedom of speech.
What if an Arab christian does the cartoon? That couldn’t be racist?
France has not yet got its position on Holocaust denial straight either, for example when the Constitutional Council overturned a law criminalizing denial of the Armenian genocide as unconstitutional, whereas a similar law applying to the Jewish genocide was still deemed constitutional.
So…
Are you saying that someone motivated by racism to draw a depiction of Mohammed would not be guilty of racism?
Is Muhammad “any … non-white figure”?
And before the stupid nitpickery - starts - I’m saying current, Western depictions of Muhammad are motivated by racism. So don’t bother to drag out some 11th C. illumination or some contemporary depiction by a Sufi in the back-end of Sulawesi who doesn’t follow the nonrepresentation tradition.
Because? Your fragmented discourse lacks the supporting evidence that would make your position rational instead of merely emotional, as it seems to be to me.
Nothing wrong with emotions. Nothing “mere” about them.
No. He is obviously A non white character, not ANY non white character but come on, you know full well what is being asked of you.
For the sake of clarity I’ll ask again in a really straigthforward manner.
Is it possible for someone to draw an offensive/critical depiction or caraciture of a non-white character and for that not to be racist in either intent or execution.
I don’t know what’s so hard about a yes or no for this.
Except it is an implicit admittance of bias, where all the racism seems to stem from.
You weren’t asking, you were putting words in my mouth:
Now you’ve backtracked that to “offensive/critical” depictions.
And sure, of course it’s possible, if they do a realistic portrayal.
But that’s not what caricaturists do. So I said I doubt they can. Doesn’t mean it isn’t possible, just means the lazy fucks won’t.
I’m sorry, are you perhaps a robot? Or a Vulcan?
All human social interactions carry bias.
Emotions are also where all the anti-racism stems from. So what’s your point, again?
Sadly, I can find no caricatures of strawmen moving goalposts.
A civil discussion in a “Great Debates” forum requires that participants should not comment on the people they debate with. Please rephrase your question by referring to my post or the ideas included in it.
The negative consequences of the bias carried in all human social interactions can only be fought with the aid of people’s rational abilities. Those condoning or promoting bias when judging others denote a desire to fight only their opponents’ racism, but not racism in general, and especially not their own.
Please read the above.
The whole thread is about offensive and critical depictions whether by cartoon, caraciture or straight representation. I haven’t backtracked anywhere. I’m just probing where you draw the lines and how workable and helpful they are.
So a realistic depiction of Mohammed having realistic gay sex would be fine? (Note, this would mean he would be in stereotypical dress and skin colouration.) You are saying there is no need to assume that would be motivated by racism either?
You still seem to be dancing. This statement seems to be saying that no caraciture of a non-white person exists that isn’t racist and you don’t think they are able to. In what way then are you judging each on impartially and on indivdual merit?
You wrongly attributed a stance on all depictions to me. So yes, backtracking.
No. I’ve been quite clear that all depictions of Muhammad are not fine because they’re all motivated by racist Islamophobia. I was referring to depictions of other non-white people.
You still seem to have trouble reading what I write. But I’m done explaining it to you. Go back and reread.
And accusing someone of bias isn’t commenting on the people you debate with? You first.
Bullshit. Hearts and minds.
Perhaps you meant this last little bit for a Pit thread?
I now have absolutely no idea what you actually think. Not from this sentence, nor from the previous answers you gave. You seemed to suggest in other answers that some depictions of Mohammed might be OK and yet here you clearly state that they are all motivated by racism.
I’ll leave it to someone else to decode this.
I have made no accusations. Please provide the quote that supports your claim.
This is a vulgar and hollow comment that demonstrates rudeness and lack of arguments.
A debate carried out in good faith involves being polite.
Please stop making comments about my person and avoid using the pronoun “you.”