I consider myself to reasonably well informed and this is the first time I’m hearing about your characterization of Dylan Roof’s actions being rationalized with respect to the homophobic sermons of EAMEC. To my knowledge, every reaction to Roof’s actions has been characterized as having racist motives.
Can you please cite where you see these alternative narratives?
What is freeze peach even supposed to insinuate? Would you be so cavalier in ridiculing other fundamental liberties? If a sufficiently angry mob was offended by that ridicule would you want to be mostly peacefully consequenced?
The point is not exercising fundamental freedoms out of fear of being killed, assaulted, or business burned and looted is basically a situation in which those fundamental freedoms don’t exist. Real life shouldn’t mirror message boards where the offense of the majority or a sufficiently rabid minority is forbidden.
Let’s assume another religious or ideological group felt it necessary to kill if they took offense at what they considered blasphemous art, comedy, commentary, etc. would you be recommending the same deference? We’ve had folks on this board advocate violence based on political party or choice of hat. You think that’s a superior society to a society where grown adults are expected to not engage in violence because they were triggered by a cartoon or a word?
That doesn’t excuse it. At all.
They don’t skewer the French racists with racist caricatures, you’ll note. They reserve that for Muslims, Jews and Blacks.
Second result in a google search shows this cover image.
The fact that you don’t see that racist cartoons combined with European’s pogrom-happy history imposes exactly that fear on minorities like Muslims is why Freeze Peach is bullshit
Where’s the racist caricature? Not “caricatured as a racist”, but a caricature of the person’s race, like their depictions of Muslims or the notorious Black woman-as-monkey cartoon.
There really is a thing called being dead right.
I’m not going to flip the guy off in traffic. By not flipping him off, am I contributing just a little to the death of a right, or am I somehow incrementally enabling his bad behavior ?
Maybe.
But there really is a thing called being dead right, and I try to avoid it while simultaneously (as I said) advocating that the crazy and homicidal set simmer the fuck down.
Are you willing to prove your point by creating what you know are going to be incendiary, volatile, blasphemous, and provocative cartoons on your own website, and promoting them to the best of your ability … while including your real name, picture, and home address ?
I’m guessing there’s a line for you, just as there is for me … just as there likely is for all of us.
Which doesn’t mean that I excuse the murderers or blame the cartoonists. Rather, it means that I try to explain (not excuse) and understand what options exist to ameliorate a very difficult situation that lacks rational actors … at least on one side.
Oh, I see what you’re getting at. It’s not criticism unless it’s racist.
I’m afraid there is only so much time I’m willing to spend looking for racial profiling of racists. Would you settle for depictions of French racists as Fascists?
Oh, nonsense. There are lots of things I don’t support, but I don’t think the people doing them ought to be murdered. In many cases I don’t think the things even ought to be illegal.
Lol, what’s next banning freeze peligioin and freeze pembly? I’d be more afraid of living in a country like Iran or anywhere that has a government like Iran than a country like France. Why is that? One set of countries has relatively modern norms of protection and advocacy of basic liberties the other set of countries are governed by ancient superstitions.
What an utter fucking bullshit strawman you’ve constructed here. At what point have i ever said they don’t criticize other groups? Never.
All I’ve said is that they only get all racist when they do it to certain groups.
Tip of my tongue … rhymes with “Right”…
Hell, I’d change my avatar to one of those cartoons for a day or two if I wasn’t sure I’d get dinged for completely inconsistent enforced so-called trolling. So, yes, threats do actually work to curtail freedom of expression.
What’s my line for beheading folks over a cartoon, song, poem, or other written or verbalized expression? That line doesn’t exist. Bizarre that I have agency isn’t it?
Well, you sent me a link to a polemic that focused on offensive cartoons aimed at Moslems. Then you encouraged everyone to google stuff. Turned out, results showed Charlie Hebdo to be more or less equal opportunity assholes out to offend pretty much all groups and individuals.
Of those groups, which are the most likely to resort to murder because they feel offended?
Really? I’m no fan of the poster you responded to but this crosses some lines.
You can’t think of a single reason why someone might choose France over Iran, except to blend in?
No, they’re not “equal opportunity” - the way they satirize some groups is qualitatively different from the way they satirize other groups. And it’s not just Muslims - even the one fucking link I posted had a very prominent example of their racism against Blacks, so I don’t know how closely you read it.
It’s a toss-up between Islamicists and Fascists, as far as I can see.
What? That of course octopus doesn’t see the danger in living in France, because he’s so clearly not in one of the endangered groups. What lines does that cross? “relatively modern norms of protection and advocacy of basic liberties” only extend so far for some people.
I can think of several. I’m more interested in why he thinks France is so danger-free.
I don’t think it’s danger free. You can obviously be beheaded for a cartoon.
Like I said, I’m not a regular reader, nor would I be one if I lived in France. I can only sample what’s available on the internet and what I see is that they generally skewer everyone without so much as a pretense of civility. I don’t know who, on balance, comes out on top or bottom. Very little of it is actually funny, unless crassness is funny. I suppose it’s a formula that works for them.
Pretty much the same bunch of assholes, as far as I can see.
Total aside: where can I find some white-person racist caricatures?
French white-person racist caricatures absolutely abound in, say, Asterix and Obelix.
