# France's Hollande ET disclosure - the only way to avert nuclear and planetary cataclysm? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2012, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617 "2012-05-02T08:53:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/41 "2012-05-02T12:13:57Z")
> [@greenlife](#): > > The words of OL have much larger meaning than the narrow minded view. Be it from religious or from atheistic perspective. We come to the final count…for too many. Not necessarily the End Times. But it will be the end of game for many. Could you vague it up just a bit more there? ---
**Author:** ![greenlife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@greenlife](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greenlife)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/42 "2012-05-02T12:15:15Z")
> [@greenlife](#): > > Sorry guys but if you would ridicule anything, wouldn’t you have a better job than that? I am surprised at the speed some of you find my answers and reply …perhaps we are talking of cyborgs this is about those who ridicule everything and everyone, not for the people who take their time to respond, even if their views are quite different. But of course you could ridicule even that. I think we deal in SOME CASES with software aided posters. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/43 "2012-05-02T12:16:48Z")
If billions die I fearlessly predict hard times ahead for the property market. Very hard times. Unless of course our Apocalypse loving God also hates housing and destroys one dwelling for every 2.6 people he wipes off the face of the earth. In that case the good times will keep on coming. ---
**Author:** ![greenlife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@greenlife](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greenlife)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/44 "2012-05-02T12:20:08Z")
I am thankful to the several substantial posts especially of Fatima. We can talk a lot of that. Internet is full of interpretations why the secret was not released in 1960 and why what is released in 2000 may be fake or part of the secret. Everyone can make his own research on that if he didn’t already. OL appears EVERYDAY in Medjugorje to 3 seers, once a year to 2, and once a month to Mirjana - the latest message is from her. All 6 are told 9 secrets, 3 of them - the 10th. My idea wasn’t really to discuss all the BS that some poured here, and to reply them. Sorry if offended anyone. The latest message is rather dramatic one. because you can’t have warning of losing Heaven forever after 30 years Everyday apparitions, Unless the situation is quite grave. And it is, will be, in case millions will lose their earthly lives from one moment to another (John Paul II read of Fatima 3rd secret…) and many of them - their souls as well. If this is not striking, i don’'t know what could be. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/45 "2012-05-02T12:21:34Z")
So when God was out there singing “The Rainbow Connection” and promising that he loves us and wouldn’t hit us again, he was lying? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/46 "2012-05-02T12:28:28Z")
> [@greenlife](#): > > I think we deal in SOME CASES with software aided posters. I’m definitely not software-aided. I write directly onto the messageboard with a green Sharpie. > [@greenlife](#): > > I am thankful to the several substantial posts especially of Fatima. Wait - Fatima is posting here? I didn’t even know she had Internet access. I bet she has an immaculate connection. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/47 "2012-05-02T12:28:43Z")
> [@greenlife](#): > > It is so easy - a secret arrangement with representatives of ET races that are already on the planet The truth is out there. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/48 "2012-05-02T12:28:56Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/49 "2012-05-02T12:30:05Z")
**Greenlife** , if what you say is true then thank you for this advance warning. This gives us time to plan a proper attack against this vile monster who would murder billions out of spite. Do you have a way to identify his evil minions, the underhanded scum that would betray their own kind to this abomination just to get into his good graces? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/50 "2012-05-02T12:30:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@greenlife](#): > > > > I am thankful to the several substantial posts especially of Fatima. > > Wait - Fatima is posting here? I didn’t even know she had Internet access. No, she repairs fences, part-time. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/51 "2012-05-02T12:34:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > **Greenlife** , if what you say is true then thank you for this advance warning. This gives us time to plan a proper attack against this vile monster who would murder billions out of spite. Do you have a way to identify his evil minions, the underhanded scum that would betray their own kind to this abomination just to get into his good graces? There’a a name for those who actively work to thwart God’s will. Could that be – Satan? If God decreed that billion must die, I hope I will face my fate with head held high, knowing I am part of God’s plan and I pray I have the strength to not grovel or beg to be spared. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/52 "2012-05-02T12:35:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > **Greenlife** , if what you say is true then thank you for this advance warning. This gives us time to plan a proper attack against this vile monster who would murder billions out of spite. Do you have a way to identify his evil minions, the underhanded scum that would betray their own kind to this abomination just to get into his good graces? They’ll be rambling incoherently about aliens, asteroids, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/53 "2012-05-02T12:37:25Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > They’ll be rambling incoherently about aliens, asteroids, etc. Is it true that some of their leaders actually already wear the collars of their Master? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/54 "2012-05-02T12:47:47Z")
> [@greenlife](#): > > OL appears EVERYDAY in Medjugorje to 3 seers, once a year to 2, and once a month to Mirjana - the latest message is from her. All 6 are told 9 secrets, 3 of them - the 10th. I think it’s shameful that these poor, hallucinating people have not received medical help. There are many modern medications that can assist the mentally ill. Beyond that - if the Lady is so beneficent why do so many of those seeking her experience eye damage? Well, it’s from staring at the sun looking for Signs. Shouldn’t she warn the faithful against such things? Or is _blind faith_ what she actually wants? Explain why the Bishop of Mostar has condemned these apparitions as lies, falsehoods, and absurd messages. It sounds like _educated_ clergy disputes the validity of these babblings. [Tomislav Vlasic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr._Tomislav_Vlasic), a prime promoter (one might even say exploiter) of those hallucinating was defrocked by the Pope. Why? Promoting dubious doctrine, manipulation, and mysticism. He has been accused of sexual misconduct - wow, _that’s_ a trustworthy priest and source of information! Considering the sources of these “visions” I suspect they’re either complete fabrications, the product of mental illness, deliberate fraud and manipulation, or, if you insist that they have a supernatural origin, I think you should consider they might not be from God but rather the other guy ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/55 "2012-05-02T12:50:33Z")
To take Greenlife seriously for a second, every human being on planet Earth is going to die. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon. And it is guaranteed that there will be disasters and wars and rumors of wars. So what’s the point of these vague prophecies? We already know that we are going to die. All men are mortal. We already know that there will be disasters and catastrophes. Combing over a supposed prophecy to find the message that there will be disasters and lots of people will die is kind of pointless, especially when you can’t say exactly when (except soon) or how (except terribly). So what’s the purpose of those prophecies? What do they tell us that we don’t already know? They tell us nothing. We’re called to repentance? How is that different than for every human being in every time and in every place? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/56 "2012-05-02T13:02:13Z")
Is **greenlife** really just **GEEPERS** after taking a Quaalude? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/57 "2012-05-02T13:14:06Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Is **greenlife** really just **GEEPERS** after taking a Quaalude? I highly doubt it. These visions and apparitions are a very Catholic Mystic thing, and I do not believe GEEPERS would associate himself with any such popery. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/58 "2012-05-02T13:19:19Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > [Tomislav Vlasic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr._Tomislav_Vlasic), a prime promoter (one might even say exploiter) of those hallucinating was defrocked by the Pope. Why? Promoting dubious doctrine, manipulation, and mysticism. He has been accused of sexual misconduct - wow, _that’s_ a trustworthy priest and source of information! In his defense, however, he makes excellent pickles. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/59 "2012-05-02T13:25:36Z")
> [@greenlife](#): > > Fatima says a year - before the end of 20th century. […] You do realize the 20th has been over for more than a decade, right ? > [@](#): > > We had 11+ years granted. It comes to an end. Why 2012? We may guess any year incl 2012, and why not 2012 if we are told so loudly. Oh. You do. So “before the end of the 20th century” really means “before, or after, or in the general vicinity of the 20th century if you sort of squint just right” ? Gee, this prophesying business is easy stuff. I wish \*my \*deadlines were of that sort and I could tell my clients “It’ll be done by the 5th” ; and when they come complaining that it’s the 20th already and I haven’t done a thing I can go “well, when I gave you a specific date, what I meant was that I was really going to be done at any point sometime during the next 15 years, give or take”. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617/60 "2012-05-02T13:32:31Z")
So billions will die? Isn’t that already the case, that the seven billion people on Earth will all eventually die? Barring an advance in medical science, that is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frances-hollande-et-disclosure-the-only-way-to-avert-nuclear-and-planetary-cataclysm/620617.md?page=4)