# Frankincense and Myrrh
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frankincense-and-myrrh/77123
**Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports
**Created:** [August 20, 2001, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frankincense-and-myrrh/77123 "2001-08-20T13:16:18Z")
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### Author:  [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2001, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frankincense-and-myrrh/77123/22 "2001-08-28T20:40:11Z")
Question: why would the wise men give Mary an abortificient _after_ she was married? I mean, the time she needed the abortion was before she married, when she was still claiming to be a virgin and didn’t want her fiance to dump her. The bastard child Jesus was already born - abortificients were no longer necessary nor even effective. Now a cloth bag and a big rock…
(I know I’m getting flamed over that.)
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### Author:  [@jonfromdenver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonfromdenver)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2001, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frankincense-and-myrrh/77123/23 "2001-08-28T21:34:15Z")
> [@](#):
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> _originally posted by Irishman_
> Question: why would the wise men give Mary an abortificient after she was married?
Question: when you have ten children, why not have one more? Answer: cause that’s too many damn kids!
i think the point about the aborificient was in explaining the belief in Mary having no other children, and why this would be the case assuming she had relations with her husband after marriage. asking this question is the same as asking why you get free condoms on college campuses.
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### Author:  [@jant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jant)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2001, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frankincense-and-myrrh/77123/24 "2001-10-12T16:08:19Z")
Pine resin was long identified with pineal secretion and was used to make frankincense (the incense of priesthood). Gold, on the other hand, was a traditional symbol of kingship. Hence, gold and frankincense were the traditional substances of the Priest-Kings of the Messianic Bloodline, along with myrrh (a gum resin used as a medical sedative) which was symbolic of death.
In the ancient world, higher knowledge was identified as daäth (from which comes our word, ‘death’). In fact, as we know very well, the New Testament describes that these three substances (gold, frankincense and myrrh) were presented to Jesus by the Magi, thereby identifying him beyond doubt as an hereditary Priest-King of the Dragon succession.
from: [http://www.nexusmagazine.com/starfire2.html](http://www.nexusmagazine.com/starfire2.html)
take a look also at [http://www.nexusmagazine.com/holygrail.html](http://www.nexusmagazine.com/holygrail.html) for more info on Jesus the Christ
Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 6, Number 1 (December 1998 - January 1999).
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at the 1998 NEXUS Conference held in Sydney, 25&endash;26 July
Transcript © Sir Laurence Gardner 1998
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### Author:  [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2001, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frankincense-and-myrrh/77123/25 "2001-10-15T21:52:23Z")
jonfromdenver, my comments were directed to Pittsboro Penguin, especially this remark:
> [@](#):
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> So then you have to wonder what message the Wise Men were really intending to convey with their gifts–“Hey, girlfriend, we’ll buy your version of this story, but you don’t have to let it happen again?”
In other words, if her version was “just a story”, then there’s no reason for her to need to reuse the story (claim divine intervention) to explain her next pregnancy because she has a husband for that one. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
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