# Frasier reboot **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [September 16, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213 "2023-09-16T19:03:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/41 "2023-09-18T01:58:13Z")
Yeah, reboots are more like Hawaii Five-0, Magnum PI, or Battlestar Galactica, where you have a new cast and (usually) a new time frame, but the same basic characters. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/42 "2023-09-18T04:03:16Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > I can’t recall where I saw it, but one of the writers (I think) said the writers had recognized this and decided Frasier’s wealth came from brilliant investments in the stock market. Or his unseen private practice where he consulted with problematic children of wealthy parents, secretly blackmailing them with his embarrassing diagnoses, and when possible forcing them to direct their payments into his anonymous foundation in perpetuity and then eating their livers with fava beans and a nice bottle of Amarone. This final chapter in the _Cheers_ saga will be a revelation of how desperate and degraded the shows were, concealing the angst, depravity, sexual servitude, and yes, psychopathic murderous rage that was barely concealed by a laugh track and a goofy barback/funny dog. These were even worse than _My Three Sons_, _The Brady Bunch_, _The Cosby Show_, or _Murder, She Wrote_. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/43 "2023-09-18T15:52:24Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > > [@nelliebly](#): > > > > I can’t recall where I saw it, but one of the writers (I think) said the writers had recognized this and decided Frasier’s wealth came from brilliant investments in the stock market. > > Or his unseen private practice where he consulted with problematic children of wealthy parents, secretly blackmailing them with his embarrassing diagnoses, and when possible forcing them to direct their payments into his anonymous foundation in perpetuity and then eating their livers with fava beans and a nice bottle of Amarone. This final chapter in the _Cheers_ saga will be a revelation of how desperate and degraded the shows were, concealing the angst, depravity, sexual servitude, and yes, psychopathic murderous rage that was barely concealed by a laugh track and a goofy barback/funny dog. These were even worse than _My Three Sons_, _The Brady Bunch_, _The Cosby Show_, or _Murder, She Wrote_ > > Stranger I find your ideas interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/44 "2023-09-18T16:53:19Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Or his unseen private practice where he consulted with problematic children of wealthy parents, secretly blackmailing them with his embarrassing diagnoses, and when possible forcing them to direct their payments into his anonymous foundation in perpetuity and then eating their livers with fava beans and a nice bottle of Amarone. This final chapter in the _Cheers_ saga will be a revelation of how desperate and degraded the shows were, concealing the angst, depravity, sexual servitude, and yes, psychopathic murderous rage that was barely concealed by a laugh track and a goofy barback/funny dog. These were even worse than _My Three Sons_, _The Brady Bunch_, _The Cosby Show_, or _Murder, She Wrote_. > > Stranger 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/45 "2023-09-18T20:36:45Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > the angst, depravity, sexual servitude, and yes, psychopathic murderous rage That’s the Lillith Sternin spinoff, right? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/46 "2023-10-13T13:31:32Z")
i gave it a whirl last night. the first 2 are out on paramount +, on cbs on the 19th. they were mostly setting up the series. a bit clunky so far. there are 8 more to come, so hopefully, they will smooth out and gel. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/47 "2023-10-13T14:36:28Z")
I saw the pilot last night. Definitely a lot of info dump, but I thought it was decent. I’ll continue watching. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/48 "2023-10-13T14:46:39Z")
First two episodes were pretty weak, but that’s to be expected. There will be an upturn in the next few episodes, or it will finally be over. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/49 "2023-10-13T15:37:29Z")
Continuing: It could really use some cameos and a visit to Cheers to perk it up. This show is clearly nothing more than a continuation of the series. We see now that Frasier was a TV sensation so he has considerable wealth as a result. The Freddy and Niles Jr. characters don’t seem quite right to me, Freddy is too ordinary for someone with his background even if he did rebel against the academic life. I can see the distance between him and his father, but I doubt that would extend across the whole family which includes his mother, aunt, and uncle. He would certainly have met some of the Cheers crowd as well. But it’s just a premise to open the series, no more important that the disjointed version of Frasier that started the original show. Niles’ kid seems to be nothing more than an imitation of his father. If he takes a meaningful part in the show his character has to develop into something more significant. Oddly, I find myself hoping this show will get better and continue. Perhaps that’s an effect of the writer’s strike that has kept television void of new series. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/50 "2023-10-13T15:54:42Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Wasn’t his mother supposed to be very wealthy? His mother was a psychiatrist and the inspiration for the two sons to become the same (as revealed in the original series). **Frasier** was a brilliant sitcom with a stellar cast and writers. It was perfect for its time. The new reboot is getting mixed reviews, with it being trashed by some as unfunny and boring, and as being fine for the time by others. I’m thinking that if you go into it expecting a continuation of the original, you’re not going to like it. I’m going to try to keep an open mind on it, but I have to wonder why Grammer is bothering with this. He can’t possibly need the money, so perhaps he’s just bored. ---
**Author:** ![Author\_Balk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Author\_Balk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Author_Balk)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/51 "2023-10-13T18:10:27Z")
On Cheers Frasier said his father was a scientist and had died. In Frasier (The Show Where Sam Shows Up), Frasier explained the lie. Frasier’s son did the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/52 "2023-10-13T19:52:27Z")
wait until lilith finds out what frasier said while explaining his being frederick’s father. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/53 "2023-10-13T20:17:00Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > I watched the trailer and I’m planning on giving it a try. I watched the trailer and it didn’t seem like Frasier, as he has somehow turned into Felix Unger. No sitting on the couch in jeans? Really? Here is one review that didnt like it- > **[New 'Frasier' review: Kelsey Grammer leads a new cast in embarrassingly bad...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2023/10/12/frasier-new-reboot-review-2023/71129064007/)** > > "Frasier" returns in a Paramount+ revival/spinoff of the beloved sitcom. The real Frasier Crane would be disgusted. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I also agree the trailer was underwhelming and doesn’t bode well for the new series. I concur also. > [@nelliebly](#): > > The fact that doing a radio show would in no way pay for his sumptuous apartment in Seattle, let alone his art collection, theatre and opera tickets, and expensive tastes in food, wine, and haberdashery has arisen before. Well, a radio show doesnt take 8 hours, maybe he had a private practice on the side. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/54 "2023-10-13T20:44:18Z")
He didn’t, at least until the last year or so of the series. There’s an episode where he he returns to private practice, only to have everything go wrong. I can’t recall if he gives up or continues to try. So for the first ten years or so, his income is solely from the radio show–and, as was suggested, brilliant investments in the stock market. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/55 "2023-10-13T21:26:31Z")
I watched it last night. I think it was rough, and I’ll give it a few episodes to find its footing. I liked the British professor–he had great comedic timing. Freddy wasn’t bad, but the baby’s mom and Niles’s son were hard to watch. It was like they were in a completely different sitcom from everyone else–just trying too hard. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/56 "2023-10-14T00:15:04Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Wasn’t his mother supposed to be very wealthy? She did tell Sam something to the effect of, “I have a lot of money,” but nothing else was ever made of it, either in _Cheers_ or _Frasier_. Over the years fans have come up with several theories: that all the family’s money was put into a trust for Frasier and Niles; that she was an extremely successful psychiatrist, but she and Martin lived frugally and put away a lot of money for Frasier and Niles; wise investments; Martin was a dirty cop who saved all his bribes; etc. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/57 "2023-10-14T02:36:59Z")
Frasier obviously had a lucrative practice in Boston, at least before he went off the rails over Lilith. So we may presume he had a lot of money socked away in both cash and investments. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/58 "2023-10-14T02:48:30Z")
From reading reviews of the new show, apparently he had a television show after he left Seattle. Presumably that’s the source of much of his current fortune. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/59 "2023-10-14T05:07:24Z")
Yes. A popular syndicated TV show explains why he has enough money to but an apartment building in the Boston area. That’s a lot of money to have on hand. He should have had considerable personal worth at the end of his show in Seattle anyway. If he’d been investing that along with his TV revenue he should be fabulously wealthy now. However, his expensive tastes may have left him merely extremely wealthy. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213/60 "2023-10-14T14:56:59Z")
My reboot would have him buying an apartment building. He’s oblivious to the fact that all his tenants hate his guts. A recurring theme is attempts to murder him which sometimes backfire to Frasier’s benefit. None of the tenants know the others are also trying to kill him. The origin of their animus is never fully explained, but never seems particularly irrational given who it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frasier-reboot/990213.md?page=4)