# Frauds **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362 "2017-05-11T15:12:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/21 "2017-05-12T18:13:42Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > My wife is a nurse. She tells me too much sugar and fat is bad for health. But she always bakes a cake or pie for her family for Thanksgiving. I guess I should call her a hypocrite and refuse to believe what she says about sugar and fat. Does she tell you that YOU should not eat sugar and fat because it’s bad for health while eating it herself? She says “too much sugar and fat is bad for health” Is a cake or pie one time for family for Thanksgiving considered “too much sugar and fat”? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/22 "2017-05-12T18:21:56Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Does she tell you that YOU should not eat sugar and fat because it’s bad for health while eating it herself? > > She says “too much sugar and fat is bad for health” Is a cake or pie one time for family for Thanksgiving considered “too much sugar and fat”? Exactly my point. Obama, Gore, etc are not telling us that we should not take airplane flights or use cars. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/23 "2017-05-12T18:27:15Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Exactly my point. Obama, Gore, etc are not telling us that we should not take airplane flights or use cars. Then what are they telling us? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/24 "2017-05-12T18:32:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Was he supposed to walk to Italy? George Carlin - “A man who was attempting to walk completely around the world, drowned today.” ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/25 "2017-05-12T18:36:37Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Then what are they telling us? That all nations need to work together to reduce the total amount of greenhouse emissions released into the atmosphere. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/26 "2017-05-12T18:41:11Z")
No, not that, that’s sensible and reasonable. What are they _really_ telling us? ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/27 "2017-05-12T18:45:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Everyone who has ever voted Republican should be denied Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and access to the Affordable Care Act. > > That’s how the hypocrisy game works, right? Unless you are playing monopoly in a parking lot or something. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/28 "2017-05-12T18:47:07Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > That all nations need to work together to reduce the total amount of greenhouse emissions released into the atmosphere. That’s cool. But they are not saying that I personally should do anything, right? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/29 "2017-05-12T18:52:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, not that, that’s sensible and reasonable. What are they _really_ telling us? [Here’s Obama’s speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaQpffnZRWA), is there much that contradicts with this sentiment? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/30 "2017-05-12T18:57:46Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s cool. But they are not saying that I personally should do anything, right? Who exactly? I don’t recall Obama ever saying we should take individual action to reduce our own personal carbon footprints. Maybe Gore’s film made some suggestions about small things we can do, but if I remember correctly, those were fairly minor changes like switching to CFL bulbs (LED bulbs weren’t around back then) and maybe driving more fuel-efficient cars. Certainly nothing approaching “don’t fly overseas”. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/31 "2017-05-12T18:59:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s cool. But they are not saying that I personally should do anything, right? Vote rationally. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/32 "2017-05-12T19:01:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s cool. But they are not saying that I personally should do anything, right? Just as the US healthcare crisis will not be solved by individual doctors voluntarily treating the uninsured for free, so the looming global environmental catastrophe will not be averted by a few people voluntarily reducing their personal carbon footprint. You, personally, _should_ do something. You should vote for a government that will enact sensible policies with respect to the environment. [ninjaed by Procrustus] ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/33 "2017-05-12T19:28:56Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > You, personally, _should_ do something. You should vote for a government that will enact sensible policies with respect to the environment yay! I’ve done something. Luckily I don’t have to recycle, or get an electric car or anything! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/34 "2017-05-12T19:39:22Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > yay! I’ve done something. Luckily I don’t have to recycle, or get an electric car or anything! 🙂 Why the smiley face? Obviously the government that you voted for didn’t win. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/35 "2017-05-12T19:42:27Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Why the smiley face? Obviously the government that you voted for didn’t win. True. So next time I have the opportunity, I will vote again. Until then, I don’t have to do anything different. THAT’S why the smiley face 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/36 "2017-05-12T19:49:26Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > True. So next time I have the opportunity, I will vote again. Until then, I don’t have to do anything different. THAT’S why the smiley face 🙂 Yuu don’t have to, but you may wish to. I drive fuel efficient, low emitting cars. I buy alternative “green” energy from my electric company, and I have upgraded by large appliances to more efficient ones. I am under no illusions that this will stop global climate change, but perhaps will constitute a small step in making greener choices more economically viable. I still fly to Europe every chance I get and putter around in my yacht. So, perhaps I’m a fraud too. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/37 "2017-05-12T19:50:00Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > True. So next time I have the opportunity, I will vote again. Until then, I don’t have to do anything different. THAT’S why the smiley face 🙂 If everyone spent the next few years laughing at the current government, and then elected a sensible one, that _would_ achieve a whole lot more than a bit of extra voluntary recycling. And you’ll buy an electric car along with everyone else, not because you’re a do-gooder, but when there’s a phased-in 300% tax on gasoline to reflect its true cost. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/38 "2017-05-12T19:53:32Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Looked at join date and was surprised. > > Been here for 5 1/2 years with 30 posts…hmmmm :dubious: Somebody was Spring cleaning and they found this user name at the bottom of their sock drawer. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/39 "2017-05-12T20:04:07Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I drive fuel efficient, low emitting cars. I buy alternative “green” energy from my electric company, and I have upgraded by large appliances to more efficient ones These are definitely things that I would do because they have an economic value to me, not because of any global warming/climate change implications. Is alternative “green” energy from your electric company less expensive than the normal kind? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362/40 "2017-05-12T20:05:07Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If everyone spent the next few years laughing at the current government, and then elected a sensible one, that _would_ achieve a whole lot more than a bit of extra voluntary recycling. And you’ll buy an electric car along with everyone else, not because you’re a do-gooder, but when there’s a phased-in 300% tax on gasoline to reflect its true cost. I plan on doing the first part of your post. And I probably would buy an electric car in those conditions, as it would be more economical to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frauds/786362.md?page=3)