Fraudster Collection Agency has just called my fiance.

I am sure they keep calling - I have even experienced this myself. We had a charge improperly applied to an account for merchandise we never received, disputed the charge, and had it removed. Then some months later we got a call from some collection agency (in Texas) trying to get us to pay. At which point I told him that I didn’t intend to pay anything, and didn’t care in the least about anything he cared to say on the matter. And ended the conversation with “Put it in writing, and don’t call again.” Click.

But he talked directly to us, not by leaving messages on the answering machine. Which is my point.

I know, off the top of my head, what matters of “urgent business” I have pending at any given point. And I also know with whom those matters are pending. But none of the people or organizations with which I do business are at all shy about identifying themselves, and especially telling me what the “urgent business” is and why it is indeed urgent. When we bought our house, the realtor could call and leave a message and be treated as urgent. But I knew who the realtor is. When my mother-in-law was ill, the doctor could call us up and we would return any messages immediately. But the office always said, “This is so-and-so from Dr. Smth’s office, and it is concerning Mrs. Mom-in-Law - we need you to do thus-and-so.”

A message from a stranger, telling me something is “urgent business” but not identifying what the “business” is or giving any reason why I should believe it to be urgent - that sets off my bullshit detector. It is like seeing the word “AMAZING!” or “Rolex” in an e-mail title. It means this is almost certainly a sales call, or a scam. As, indeed, this turned out to be.

So I would not return the call. This would screen out the more lazy of the scammers, who are casting their net wide to try to find people who are easily panicked, and who would return such a call. If the person is diligent enough to actually get me on the line, then he can explain himself and why I should care. If it were a real debt, fine - I would send the money with my apologies. If not, then tell him that you don’t intend to pay debts you don’t owe. If he persists, do the “put it into a registered letter, and don’t call me again” routine and hang up.

You don’t ordinarily have to talk to anyone on the phone, and it is not necessary to worry about the feelings of someone who is trying to rip you off.

Collection agencies operate on a percentage basis. They buy up debts at a discount, and then try to collect enough of the debt to make a profit. Therefore it makes sense for them to concentrate on the more easily collectable debts, and disregard the ones where it is clear that they will never get any money. If you genuinely don’t owe the money, make it clear that you will never pay.

Therefore, no matter what, the only response you should ever make, no matter what they say, is to repeat “put it in a registered letter, and don’t call me again”. Then hang up without waiting for a response. Usually, eventually, they get the idea. Then either they put it into a registered letter, to which you respond saying that you don’t acknowledge the debt, or they go away and try to scam the next sucker.

It’s annoying, I certainly grant you that. But any time you respond, you are teaching the harasser that the cost of getting you to respond is a certain level of harassment. If he calls six times and you respond on the sixth call, you are teaching him that it takes six calls to get to you. If he calls six times and never gets any response except the same response he got on the first call, you are teaching him that all the calls after the first were a waste of his time.

Telemarketers, scammers, and other lumps of curdled vulture vomit are not highly evolved life forms. They need to be trained using basic principles of reinforcement. Respond to something, and you reinforce the behavior. Don’t respond, and you extinguish it.

Again, best wishes to WaryEri on her upcoming wedding.

Regards,
Shodan

I agree with you, Shodan, but I think an important distinction needs to be made here - don’t ignore calls from collectors with valid debts. They don’t go away, the debts don’t go away, and it will probably end up going badly for you in the long run if you don’t deal with legitimate outstanding debts.

Just to let you know, this debt may be legitimate. I work for a company that does use a collection agency for debts over a certain period (approximately 5 months). Many of these customers don’t realize they owe because they were throwing our bills away, thinking that they were one of those advertisements some companies use to masquerade as important mail. For example, some customers would call us to say they didn’t order something, and we’d refund it. After they were refunded, they’d dispute the original charge (but not the refund). We’d attempt to collect on the double credit that they had received. They would often call furious and say they’d NEVER pay, even though they did legitimately owe the money, and wouldn’t listen to what actually happened to cause it.

I would recommend finding out what the debt is for and calling the company in question as well to find out what you owe for.

Heavens, yes. If you owe the money, by all means pay up.

But it is still the duty of the person attempting to collect the debt to make it clear up front who he is, and why he believes you legitimately owe money. If he is right, and you owe the money and still won’t pay, the blame shifts off the debt collector and onto the deadbeat.

Regards,
Shodan

By law, they cannot leave a message, or send a letter that gives another person the opportunity to assume that you might owe a debt. So, they cannot leave a message “This is Jaade from XYZ Collection Agency” or send you a letter marked with the word “Collection” in the title of the company. They must operate under the assumption that some mysterious third party may listen to your answering machine or reading your envelopes in the mail. It’s not that the collectors are always trying to be sneaky, it’s just the law they are required to operate under.

I did not know that. Thanks for the info!

Regards,
Shodan

Lynn, that’s not the only reason you haven’t heard from them… :slight_smile: Some people’s Mondays are worse than others.

Everyone here’s out of a job. Lock the doors on your way out.

Ah. My wife works from home, and so actually had to deal with this person, who refused to say what she was calling about (which is what is required by the law.) So for me it was a matter of relieving my wife from this hassle. (She never called when I was actually home for some reason.) If it were only messages on the answering machine, it would be different. I figured what it was about, so I did research on the statute of limitations before I called back. But I agree, that if you don’t mind getting all the messages, there is no reason to return the call. I assume they will give up at some point.

They are also allowed to keep calling as long as they have reason to believe that the call will provide information about the location of the party owing the debt.

Link

One of those groups was calling my home phone and I called them back It turned out that an old friend put me down as a reference on a loan that he…um…neglected to pay back. They were just trying to find him. Maybe it’s just a friend of the fiance who owes something.

Then there was the deadbeat that had my cell phone number prior to me. I got calls for him for a year and a half.

Haj

Oh my. However SHALL I go on, knowing that my complaint might have been a factor in this company’s closing? :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: