# Fred Phelps falls off the edge of the world... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2005, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154 "2005-06-21T03:02:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/41 "2005-06-21T23:30:21Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Oooh! If I blaspheme, can I get eaten first? Get back in line, punk. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/42 "2005-06-21T23:42:21Z")
> [@](#): > > This is the picture that America deserves. Get used to it! You worship at the fag altar, you get boxes draped in your fag flag coming home! Yeah, calling the Stars and Stripes the “fag rag” sure won’t alienate any potential supporters. :rolleyes: I found this interesting, from **DeadlyAccurate’s** link: > [@](#): > > CAST OF CHARACTERS AND PHELPS FAMILY TREE > Reverend Fred Phelps: **lawyer** and Baptist minister; head of the Westboro Baptist Church; 64 years old. **Disbarred.** > > Marge Phelps: wife of Fred; mother of his 13 children; 68 years old. WBC member. > > 1. Fred Phelps, Jr.: **lawyer and employee at the Kansas Department of Corrections** ; 40 years old. Oldest son. WBC member. > > Betty Phelps (Schurle): wife of Fred, Jr.; **lawyer** and owner-operator of a day-care home; 41 years old. WBC member. > > 1. \*\*\*Mark Phelps: businessman in Southern California; estranged from the family cult; 39 years old. 2nd son. > > Luava Phelps (Sundgren): wife of Mark; childhood sweetheart; 36 years old. > > 1. \*\*\*Katherine Phelps: **lawyer** ; **suspended from the bar** ; living on welfare; 38 years-old; oldest daughter. Not in WBC. > > 2. Margie Phelps: **lawyer and employee of the Kansas Department of Corrections** ; 37 years old; 2nd daughter. WBC member. > > 3. Shirley Phelps-Roper: **lawyer** at Phelps Chartered; 36 years old; 3rd daughter. WBC member. > > Brent Roper: husband of Shirley; **lawyer** and businessman in Topeka; 30 years old; WBC member. > > 1. \*\*\*Nate Phelps: businessman in Southern California; estranged from family cult; 35 years old. 3rd son. > > 2. Jonathon Phelps: **lawyer** ; 4th son; 34 years old; WBC member. Paulette Phelps (Ossiander): wife of Jonathon; 33 years old; high school graduate; WBC member. > > 3. Rebekah Phelps-Davis: **lawyer** at Phelps Chartered; 32 years old; 4th daughter; WBC member. > > Chris Davis: husband to Rebekah; 38 years old; raised from childhood in the WBC. > > 1. Elizabeth Phelps: **lawyer** at Phelps Chartered; night house manager staff at Sheltered Living, Inc. Topeka; 31 years old; 5th daughter; WBC member. **Former counsel for the Shawnee County Sheriff’s Department.** > > 2. Timothy Phelps: **lawyer** and employee of the Shawnee County Department of Corrections; 30 years old; 5th son; WBC member. > > Lee Ann Phelps (Brown): wife of Timothy; **lawyer** and employee of Shawnee County Sheriff’s Department; 27 years old; WBC member. > > 11.\*\*\*Dorotha Bird (Phelps): **lawyer practicing independently in Topeka; 6th daughter; not a WBC member; changed her last name to avoid family’s notoriety. 29 years old.** > > 1. Rachel Phelps: **lawyer** at Phelps Chartered; YMCA fitness instructor; 28 years old; 7th daughter; WBC member. > > 2. Abigail Phelps: **lawyer and employee at SRS-Youth and Adult Services, Juvenile Offender Program** ; 25 years old; 8th daughter; WBC member. Weird that they’d have so many lawyers, and so many would be suspended or disbarred. Wonder what they did? I bet they wouldn’t take the oath to uphold that “fag rag” of a Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/43 "2005-06-22T00:40:14Z")
[REGGIE WHITE IS IN HELL](http://www.godhatesamerica.com/html/ReggieWhite.html) :eek: :eek: :eek: Ohhh…FUCK no. He is not messing with the Minister of Defense. Motherfucker has officially pushed me over the edge. Here’s a question…if people like this are so rabid and nasty, if they are so counterproductive to society that it makes me question the validity of the first amendment, then why shouldn’t I hire a hitman to shoot this guy from a rooftop? What’s keeping someone from doing that, or just doing it himself? Are the loonies in agreement with this putrid sack of necrotic donkey flesh? ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/44 "2005-06-22T04:31:11Z")
That info about the family, from pravnik in post #42, is accurate, just somewhat dated though. It would be about twelve years old. Katherine Phelps, his third child, is listed as being 38, but she was in junior high with me, the same grade anyway, and I’m 50. ---
**Author:** ![Purd\_Werfect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47c2d/32.png) [@Purd\_Werfect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purd_Werfect)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/45 "2005-06-22T05:25:11Z")
Fred Phelps is kind of an odd guy. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/46 "2005-06-22T05:38:18Z")
> [@Purd Werfect](#): > > Fred Phelps is kind of an odd guy. You might almost say he’s queer. Well, no. You might almost say he’s a ravening fucking nutjob with little or no contact with reality and an intense desire to be validated by the hatred of others. But I bet the first statement would make him angrier. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/47 "2005-06-22T06:28:37Z")
> [@Purd Werfect](#): > > Fred Phelps is kind of an odd guy. Yes, and Michael Jackson and Dennis Rodman are a wee bit eccentric. Emimem might be peeved about something. Tom Cruise kinda thinks Katie Holmes is okay, maybe, on a good day. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/48 "2005-06-22T07:35:33Z")
> [@AskNott](#): > > Yes, and Michael Jackson and Dennis Rodman are a wee bit eccentric. Emimem might be peeved about something. Tom Cruise kinda thinks Katie Holmes is okay, maybe, on a good day. :rolleyes: Oh, dear. Either **Asknott** got whooshed or I got whooshed by a proxy whooshing. I’ll reserve the :rolleyes: until I find out. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/49 "2005-06-22T09:52:00Z")
Come and listen to my story ‘bout a man named Fred A bold minister with lots of hate inside his head. And the one day he was lookin’ for a cause, And said to himself “I’ll hate homosexuals!” _(Queers that is, sodomites)_ Well, the first thing you know 'ol Fred’s a picketeer Cursing anything that acts remotely queer We think that somewhere else is where he really oughta be And while he’s at it he can take his whole darned family! _(Siberia, Timbuktu)_ Well now it’s time to say goodbye to Fred and all his kin We’re sorry but we can’t say that we’re glad that they stopped in. And if by chance they should come back to this locality We’ll have to show them some of our great hospitality! _(Tar, that is, feathers)_ Don’t come back now, ya hear? ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/50 "2005-06-22T17:08:00Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > Weird that they’d have so many lawyers, and so many would be suspended or disbarred. Yeah, weird. Until one recalls that they have a disturbing tendency to either actually sue, or just threaten to sue anyone who sees things in a more inclusive light. When considering the Phuckers, I feel warmer and more secure in my misanthropy. Miserable excuses for sentient beings, all of 'em. Waste ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/51 "2005-06-22T17:12:25Z")
Very good **Baker**! _Applause_ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/52 "2005-06-22T18:49:06Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > He’s a closet gay. He hates himself. > > So he takes it out on everyone else. From reading that website I linked to earlier, I genuinely don’t think so. I can easily see how one could come up with that impression (“The lady doth protest too much, me thinks” and all that), but I think it’s just that he can no longer spew his hate at his family, and he was disbarred, so he can’t be as sue happy as he was years ago. I think he picked gays because he could. It’s not that he wasn’t homophobic before; I have no doubt that he was. But I think he wasn’t as homophobic in times past because he had other ways to direct his hatred. The man **thrives** on hatred and hurting people. It’s the hurt he goes for. The reason for all the lawyers is because he demanded that’s what they go to school for. He even bullied most of his sons- and daughters-in-law into becoming lawyers\*. \*This assumes that expose is correct, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Purd\_Werfect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47c2d/32.png) [@Purd\_Werfect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purd_Werfect)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/53 "2005-06-22T19:48:53Z")
> [@AskNott](#): > > :rolleyes: That must be a hassle if your eyes do that a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/54 "2005-06-22T20:02:02Z")
My recurrent fantasy is to be the only eyewitness when some member of the US military slaps this pus bucket upside the head with a rifle barrel, knocks him down, and then kicks him until he bleeds out the rectum. Then I can get hauled into court, swear an oath to God that I will tell the truth, and then look Phelps dead in the eye and say, “Nope. I didn’t see _anything_.” Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/55 "2005-06-22T20:14:41Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > There are freakazoids in every society Why are you knocking on Freakazoid? He is one kick-ass superhero! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/56 "2005-06-22T20:17:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > My recurrent fantasy is to be the only eyewitness when some member of the US military slaps this pus bucket upside the head with a rifle barrel, knocks him down, and then kicks him until he bleeds out the rectum. > > Then I can get hauled into court, swear an oath to God that I will tell the truth, and then look Phelps dead in the eye and say, > > “Nope. I didn’t see _anything_.” > > Regards, > Shodan Have you been reading my mind? That’s exactly what I would do 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/57 "2005-06-22T20:29:19Z")
> [@DeadlyAccurate](#): > > …for all the lawyers is because he demanded that’s what they go to school for. He even bullied most of his sons- and daughters-in-law into becoming lawyers… Merciful Og! Is there _no_ limit to his perfidy! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/58 "2005-06-22T20:32:50Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Have you been reading my mind? That’s exactly what I would do 😉 My excruciatingly correct standards would not permit such. However, I could certainly see sending that nelly blonde kid from _Queer Eye_ over to his house to dish him half to death! Wouldn’t pay to watch, mind you. But I’d tune in. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/59 "2005-06-22T20:37:12Z")
I’m curious. If Phelps thinks a bigot and homophobe like Reggie White is in hell, is there anyone, anywhere (except for his own clan, presumably) who he thinks will go/is in heaven at all? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154/60 "2005-06-23T00:24:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > My excruciatingly correct standards would not permit such. However, I could certainly see sending that nelly blonde kid from _Queer Eye_ over to his house to dish him half to death! > > Wouldn’t pay to watch, mind you. But I’d tune in. Fred Phelps vs. Brian Kinney (the tall butch one). Cage match, winner takes all! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fred-phelps-falls-off-the-edge-of-the-world/309154.md?page=4)