# Free birth control and abortion- question for anti-abortion folks **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 7, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827 "2013-07-07T00:02:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/61 "2013-08-10T12:00:58Z")
> [@huck](#): > > I do worry very much about not only the kids once they are born but the mothers/families during the pregnancy. I volunteer and contribute to groups that provide assistance and support to mothers and families during pregnancy and after the baby is delivered. > > Yes, lots of unborn and born children are killed for one reason or another. I guess I don’t see why that is a good reason for allowing unborn human beings to be routinely killed, any more than the fact that people die in accidents or of diseases means it’s OK to commit murder. Calling self defense murder is no more murder than war! ---
**Author:** ![huck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@huck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/huck)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/62 "2013-08-10T18:10:31Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Calling self defense murder is no more murder than war! I’m not entirely clear on what you mean. I did not say that abortion was the same as murder. I was addressing your comment which seems to say that since many unborn children (and born children) are killed for various reasons, it’s foolish to have moral objections to routine abortion. But are you really saying that routine abortion is self-defense? And yes, there are of course people who oppose abortion but fail to do anything to try to help women in crisis pregnancies. I don’t see that that deprives them of the right to think that killing unborn children on demand is wrong. Are people required to join the homicide division in order to sincerely be opposed to murder? I personally think that my position, along with common humanity, obliges me to try to assist mothers, babies and families faced with difficult pregnancies. There are undoubtedly others who oppose abortion and care very little for mothers, babies or the families affected–but quite a few care very much and try to help needy mothers and families in tangible ways. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/63 "2013-08-11T12:42:33Z")
> [@huck](#): > > I’m not entirely clear on what you mean. I did not say that abortion was the same as murder. I was addressing your comment which seems to say that since many unborn children (and born children) are killed for various reasons, it’s foolish to have moral objections to routine abortion. > > But are you really saying that routine abortion is self-defense? > > And yes, there are of course people who oppose abortion but fail to do anything to try to help women in crisis pregnancies. I don’t see that that deprives them of the right to think that killing unborn children on demand is wrong. Are people required to join the homicide division in order to sincerely be opposed to murder? > > I personally think that my position, along with common humanity, obliges me to try to assist mothers, babies and families faced with difficult pregnancies. There are undoubtedly others who oppose abortion and care very little for mothers, babies or the families affected–but quite a few care very much and try to help needy mothers and families in tangible ways. In many cases it truly is self defense. I am not one who has the right to judge. The mother’s are apparently not getting enough help if they were, there would be no poor unwed mothers! Only a doctor or a woman know hat they can bear safely, Care for or support. So many are abused by a parent who did not want the child to begin with. Once it can be seen as a child then aborti0n is illegal. A fertile egg from any human or animal, will become what the egg is. a but until it can be seen in a human as a child it is not yet one . We say a woman is expecting a child. I had two early miscarriages, I spent time in the hospital trying to save the pregnancy, and there was no child to be seen, I don’t feel I lost a child. If all pro(so called) lifers had funerals for their miscarriages and named an early developing staged Then I may believe they truly think a few cells are a human being. It is mostly a religious thing and we do have separation of church and state. No woman should be forced to abort a child nor should she in all fairness have to use her body and risk her life unless she chooses to do so! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/64 "2013-08-11T13:02:21Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > What I mostly noticed about this thread was that the question for anti-abortion folks was immediately answered by pro-abortion folks anxious to tell us what anti-abortion folks think. Kinda like how threads addressed to Christians are usually drowned in a tide of rabid atheist snark. Ah well. No One I know is pro-abortion, they are pro the already born, and most would rather have the right Birth Control to prevent pregnancies. But also believe a living human being is of more value than a fertile egg, and this shows in what happens in the case of a pro-birth person does with an early miscarriage, and if in a room full of frozen embryos would take the one ready born person from a burning room of a clinic. They say they Trust In God, but don’t, they think it is their business instead of making sure their life is free from fault. I believe the Bible says not to judge? ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/65 "2013-08-11T15:13:32Z")
Lmao. Do people really use “pro abortion” with a straight face? And I feel that the proposed program of the OP would certainly help. However I doubt that it would allay the feelings of those who are adamantly pro life. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/66 "2013-08-12T04:30:23Z")
Can somone be “pro-choice” on child molestation or slavery or spousal abuse without, by extension, being pro- those things? You can be pro-choice on whether people put mayo on their hot dogs or use the DH rule. Neither option is morally/ethically relevant. If you’re pro-choice on driving speeds you have to accept the (at least philosophical) implications of people doing 250 kph. I don’t know where the line is between pro-choice-mayo and pro-choice-rape, but I’m 100% sure abortion is clearly on the pro-choice-rape side by far. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/67 "2013-08-12T11:34:49Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > Lmao. Do people really use “pro abortion” with a straight face? And I feel that the proposed program of the OP would certainly help. However I doubt that it would allay the feelings of those who are adamantly pro life. If someone is truly pro-life then they would see to it that the born child is well cared for and be willing to pay the cost of a born child , her mother etc. There would be not as many poor people. The child would have a good education , medical care, food and proper place to live. But so many would have a hissy fit if they were asked to have a fair share of their earnings taxed, or go with out unneeded things to support the families. when a person says they are Pro-life but it ends at birth then it is another story! They are apparently not interested in the woman or her other children who go with out many necessities because they are so concerned about a fertile egg. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/68 "2013-08-12T14:59:42Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > Lmao. Do people really use “pro abortion” with a straight face? And I feel that the proposed program of the OP would certainly help. However I doubt that it would allay the feelings of those who are adamantly pro life. In Randy Alcorn’s book “Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Questions” he states: Pro-choice people vote the same as pro-abortion people on abortion matters. Try to pass a law mandating unwanted abortions for any reason (Your fetus has Down’s Syndrome? Mandatory abortion) and see how many pro-choice people vote “pro-abortion.” And the title is the only time Alcorn uses the term “pro-choice.” Everywhere else he calls us “pro-abortion.” > [@Ají de Gallina](#): > > Can somone be “pro-choice” on child molestation or slavery or spousal abuse without, by extension, being pro- those things? Child molestation, slavery and spousal abuse involve another person, living unattached from and not taking over a person’s body. Is the pro-life movement anti-abortion. Why don’t they use that term? ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/69 "2013-08-12T15:06:08Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > If someone is truly pro-life then they would see to it that the born child is well cared for and be willing to pay the cost of a born child , her mother etc. There would be not as many poor people. The child would have a good education , medical care, food and proper place to live. But so many would have a hissy fit if they were asked to have a fair share of their earnings taxed, or go with out unneeded things to support the families. when a person says they are Pro-life but it ends at birth then it is another story! They are apparently not interested in the woman or her other children who go with out many necessities because they are so concerned about a fertile egg. I agree with this totally. Everyone I’ve ever known that is aggressively “pro” life has only been so inside the womb. Routinely, they are pro capital punishment and, like you said, aren’t the least bit concerned with preventing more unwanted pregnancies, taking care of the children that are already here or pretty much doing anything beyond screaming how abortion is a sin, murder and destroying the soul of America. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/70 "2013-08-12T15:15:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **jackdavinci** : > > Some of the answers to this thread are making me wonder whether people are against abortion because they think the fetus suffers during the procedure; the fetus’ soul has been promised a body/particular life story, and that promise has been broken; or that any potential new life should be developed at any cost. First of all, the question is not one of whether the fetus is alive. It unambiguously is alive, but that’s also completely irrelevant. The important criterion is personhood, not life. Second, it’s not about protecting the rights of a potential person. The question is not whether a potential person has rights. The question is whether a fetus is only a potential person, or an actual person. If one takes the view that a fetus is a person, then it is wrong to kill it for the same reasons that it’s wrong to kill any other person. **Annie-Xmas** , there are some people who describe themselves as pro-life but who are actually exclusively anti-abortion (while completely ignoring all other issues), and other people who call themselves pro-life and actually are (these people also oppose capital punishment and war, and also generally try to work for social justice in general). There are even a few people (though not as many as folks like **Der Trihs** think) who call themselves pro-life but who are actually anti-choice. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/71 "2013-08-12T15:48:59Z")
However you slice it, all “pro-life” people are “anti-abortion.” They are not just “anti-legal-abortion” but have the la-la, unobtainable dream of nobody anywhere having an abortion. It’s like they want all women to carry the consequences of (OMIGOD!) having sex. ---
**Author:** ![huck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@huck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/huck)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/72 "2013-08-12T16:28:50Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > In many cases it truly is self defense. I am not one who has the right to judge. > > The mother’s are apparently not getting enough help if they were, there would be no poor unwed mothers! Only a doctor or a woman know hat they can bear safely, Care for or support. So many are abused by a parent who did not want the child to begin with. > > Once it can be seen as a child then aborti0n is illegal. A fertile egg from any human or animal, will become what the egg is. a but until it can be seen in a human as a child it is not yet one > > . We say a woman is expecting a child. I had two early miscarriages, I spent time in the hospital trying to save the pregnancy, and there was no child to be seen, I don’t feel I lost a child. If all pro(so called) lifers had funerals for their miscarriages and named an early developing staged Then I may believe they truly think a few cells are a human being. It is mostly a religious thing and we do have separation of church and state. No woman should be forced to abort a child nor should she in all fairness have to use her body and risk her life unless she chooses to do so! I don’t see what how you feel about your miscarriage (or how I felt about mine) has to do with anything. Again, while I feel that morally I should help mothers and families dealing with a crisis pregnancy (and I do what I can, and wish I could do more), why is it that those who oppose routine legal abortion must meet a higher standard than those who oppose other things? In order to think murder is wrong, does one have to take financial responsibility for attempted murder victims? And your insistence on using the phrase “a clump of cells” to refer to an unborn human being does your position no good with those of us who are concerned about the rights of the child. I am a clump of cells, so are you, if a baby at 16 or 20 weeks is. The difference is not that the unborn are not human or not alive; the difference is they are dependent on the mother for continued life. You see this as a reason why the rights of the unborn child should be disregarded; I don’t. I am willing to accept that there are people of good conscience who disagree with me. I think it behooves the “pro-choice” folk to start doing the same thing. Demonizing all anti-abortion folk makes you sound much less concerned with what is right and much more concerned with winning an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/73 "2013-08-12T16:46:43Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > It’s estimated that, of the 1 million (roughly) abortions per year, only 1% take place after the viability cutoff of 20 weeks. In other words, only about 10,000 abortions happen during the viability stage. Further, it’s estimated that most of those abortions are situations of birth defects or where the mother’s health is endangered… so the number of “convenience abortions” would be \*well \*below 10,000. A couple of things -[ol][li]I don’t believe your “estimate” that most late-term abortions are situations where the fetus is gravely compromised and/or the mother’s health is endangered. Do you have any hard evidence? By which I mean a real cite from a neutral source.[\*]What number of innocent deaths is low enough to ignore? [/li][/ol]Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/74 "2013-08-12T20:15:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If one takes the view that a fetus is a person, then it is wrong to kill it for the same reasons that it’s wrong to kill any other person. If one takes the view that the fetus is a person then it brings the question of the balance of the right to life of the fetus and the right of a person to refuse to allow another consent to use their organs. It is a rational position to believe that the fetus is a person with just as much of a right to life as I have but no right to use another’s organs to sustain their own existence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/75 "2013-08-13T00:56:02Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > I don’t know where the line is between pro-choice-mayo and pro-choice-rape, but I’m 100% sure abortion is clearly on the pro-choice-rape side by far. Not surprisingly, I strongly disagree. Considering that some “pro-life” folks believe that rape victims should be forced to bear their rapist’s child, and considering that both rape and outlawing abortion rob a person of their bodily autonomy, I think the pro-life position is far closer to the (obviously both fictional and incendiary) “pro-choice-rape” side. By the way, you never responded to my post #50- I’m curious whether you think giving birth control to teens or a greater number of abortions is a greater evil. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/76 "2013-08-13T02:36:33Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > I agree with this totally. Everyone I’ve ever known that is aggressively “pro” life has only been so inside the womb. Routinely, they are pro capital punishment and, like you said, aren’t the least bit concerned with preventing more unwanted pregnancies, taking care of the children that are already here or pretty much doing anything beyond screaming how abortion is a sin, murder and destroying the soul of America. I’m anti-capital-punishment. Pro-taking care of babies. > [@monavis](#): > > **If someone is truly pro-life then they would see to it that the born child is well cared for and be willing to pay the cost of a born child , her mother etc. There would be not as many poor people. The child would have a good education , medical care, food and proper place to live.** But so many would have a hissy fit if they were asked to have a fair share of their earnings taxed, or go with out unneeded things to support the families. when a person says they are Pro-life but it ends at birth then it is another story! They are apparently not interested in the woman or her other children who go with out many necessities because they are so concerned about a fertile egg. I completely agree with the part I bolded. Pro-lifers who don’t are stupid. > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > However you slice it, all “pro-life” people are “anti-abortion.” They are not just “anti-legal-abortion” but have the la-la, unobtainable dream of nobody anywhere having an abortion. It’s like they want all women to carry the consequences of (OMIGOD!) having sex. Agreed. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Not surprisingly, I strongly disagree. Considering that some “pro-life” folks believe that rape victims should be forced to bear their rapist’s child, and considering that both rape and outlawing abortion rob a person of their bodily autonomy, I think the pro-life position is far closer to the (obviously both fictional and incendiary) “pro-choice-rape” side. We disagree. > [@](#): > > By the way, you never responded to my post #50- I’m curious whether you think giving birth control to teens or a greater number of abortions is a greater evil. 1. Any medicine for minor has to be monitored by parents or at least at doctor. 2. Hormones on teenage girls is something to be careful with. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/77 "2013-08-13T04:23:42Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What number of innocent deaths is low enough to ignore? Please clarify your view on this, because it sounds on the surface an awful lot like the “nanny state” justification I’m pretty sure I’ve seen you deride when discussing other topics. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/78 "2013-08-13T11:37:48Z")
> [@huck](#): > > I don’t see what how you feel about your miscarriage (or how I felt about mine) has to do with anything. > > Again, while I feel that morally I should help mothers and families dealing with a crisis pregnancy (and I do what I can, and wish I could do more), why is it that those who oppose routine legal abortion must meet a higher standard than those who oppose other things? > > In order to think murder is wrong, does one have to take financial responsibility for attempted murder victims? > > And your insistence on using the phrase “a clump of cells” to refer to an unborn human being does your position no good with those of us who are concerned about the rights of the child. I am a clump of cells, so are you, if a baby at 16 or 20 weeks is. > > The difference is not that the unborn are not human or not alive; the difference is they are dependent on the mother for continued life. You see this as a reason why the rights of the unborn child should be disregarded; I don’t. > > I am willing to accept that there are people of good conscience who disagree with me. I think it behooves the “pro-choice” folk to start doing the same thing. Demonizing all anti-abortion folk makes you sound much less concerned with what is right and much more concerned with winning an argument. One cannot Murder a zygote. or an embryo, or a fertile egg. That is just a religious argument in most cases. One also has to take in the fact that a born person or one already recognized in the womb that has developed into a person has more rights than a fertile egg. Biologically it is the same with other animals. or plants. a fertile egg is not a fowl, a horse, etc., nor is a tadpole a frog. a pollenated apple blossom an apple. it will become such if left to go to growth where it can be recognized as such. Since you cannot read my mind( or intent) you may still have the right to your own thoughts about my motives, but that also doesn’t make your opinion about me true. My intent is that a person already born has more rights than a fertile egg. If a mother dies in childbirth is the fetus a murderer or a person who forced her to go through something her doctor and she knew was dangerous for her? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/79 "2013-08-13T11:56:17Z")
> [@huck](#): > > I don’t see what how you feel about your miscarriage (or how I felt about mine) has to do with anything. > > Again, while I feel that morally I should help mothers and families dealing with a crisis pregnancy (and I do what I can, and wish I could do more), why is it that those who oppose routine legal abortion must meet a higher standard than those who oppose other things? > > In order to think murder is wrong, does one have to take financial responsibility for attempted murder victims? > > And your insistence on using the phrase “a clump of cells” to refer to an unborn human being does your position no good with those of us who are concerned about the rights of the child. I am a clump of cells, so are you, if a baby at 16 or 20 weeks is. > > The difference is not that the unborn are not human or not alive; the difference is they are dependent on the mother for continued life. You see this as a reason why the rights of the unborn child should be disregarded; I don’t. > > I am willing to accept that there are people of good conscience who disagree with me. I think it behooves the “pro-choice” folk to start doing the same thing. Demonizing all anti-abortion folk makes you sound much less concerned with what is right and much more concerned with winning an argument. One cannot Murder a zygote. or an embryo, or a fertile egg. That is just a religious argument in most cases. One also has to take in the fact that a born person or one already recognized in the womb that has developed into a person has more rights than a fertile egg. Biologically it is the same with other animals. or plants. a fertile egg is not a fowl, a horse, etc., nor is a tadpole a frog. a pollenated apple blossom an apple. it will become such if left to go to growth where it can be recognized as such. Since you cannot read my mind( or intent) you may still have the right to your own thoughts about my motives, but that also doesn’t make your opinion about me true. My intent is that a person already born has more rights than a fertile egg. If a mother dies in childbirth is the fetus a murderer or a person who forced her to go through something her doctor and she knew was dangerous for her? I will add as a post script, since I was too late to edit: A woman needs more than just care during her pregnancy, she needs to be able to feed, educate, care for the child and it’s health needs, until it is an adult. If the money spent running around the country picketing clinics, advertising etc. were spent helping to make sure the mother had all that was needed, and her health was also taken into consideration I would call that pro life. I know a woman who died in childbirth with her 10th child, so she lost the child, and her life and left 9 children without a mother. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/80 "2013-08-13T14:45:31Z")
It’s not expecting pro lifers to rise to a higher standard about abortion than other things, it’s expecting a reduction of hypocrisy. It’s very easy to be anti abortion because in most cases, there’s not much involved beyond being vocal and maybe donating money. If their goals are met, the results (a child here that’s unwanted) is much more costly, labor intensive and long term. So the very thing they fight for, the vast majority don’t seem to give a shit about once it’s actually here. They don’t fight for better sex education (For an example, look up the deplorable information surrounding sex ed in Texas schools where people fight against anything other than abstinence only teaching, all the while rates of teenage pregnancy and STDs just continue to rise), they bitch about welfare to single mothers etc. They really don’t do much beyond hoping that the problem of these types of kids would just go away. But they keep insisting women have them that don’t want to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827.md?page=5)