# Free birth control and abortion- question for anti-abortion folks **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 7, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827 "2013-07-07T00:02:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/101 "2013-08-15T20:37:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Ok, I would protest and strongly oppose killing 1 year old babies. I don’t think this has anything to do with abortion, though, unless those babies are inside people. Thanks. > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > And no, I would not support the killing of a one day old human being. Once the child out of the uterus, the woman has no legal right to kill it. Thanks > [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > Nah, that was a “I realize this is a bullshit strawman gotcha” and I ain’t interested in playing. Shrug. So unitnterested that you actually played “bullshit strawman gotcha”🙂 by giving a chinkenin’-out answer. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/102 "2013-08-15T23:53:58Z")
Hey buddy, you can call it whatever you want. I typically find people that are so strenuously on the pro life side that they give bullshit strawman gotcha attempts as, um, highly unlikely to do anything but pose non truths, so this is just another one. Good on you for being consistent. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/103 "2013-08-16T12:41:05Z")
> [@huck](#): > > Why would it mean that? What has the question of whether it is ethical and moral to routinely kill unborn humans to do with what I would do in a ridiculous hypothetical? > > I don’t mock the views of those who thoughtfully conclude that the rights of mothers to autonomy and the difficulties of unwanted children trump the rights of the unborn. I disagree strongly but assume that most who hold those ideas have carefully considered it. > > But when you say silly things like this, or insist on referring to a living human as a clump of cells or a chicken egg (as if the only abortions performed are during the first 4 weeks of pregnancy), you make a mockery of the ideas you are espousing. > > If what you are asking is–do I believe that women who may die or become seriously ill if they continue a pregnancy should be denied an abortion?–the answer is no. Under those circumstances and some other unusual ones where the mother’s mental health or other rights are at issue, I think abortion should be available. > > It is the routine killing of unborn humans I believe to be unethical and morally insupportable. It fascinates me that most people on the left have so wholeheartedly and passionately embraced abortion on demand. I wonder why it is that folks who tend to stand up for the rights of people with little or no voice can so easily dismiss the rights of people not yet born. It is not silly to ask a person if they would save a vat of frozen embryos over a born Child or other human; it just proves that a already born person has more value than a lot of frozen embryos. The mother has a right to life and has the option of wither she can bear the child without the risk of her own life. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/104 "2013-08-16T16:55:57Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > Hey buddy, you can call it whatever you want. I typically find people that are so strenuously on the pro life side that they give bullshit strawman gotcha attempts as, um, highly unlikely to do anything but pose non truths, so this is just another one. Good on you for being consistent. 😉 It’s two for two. Ready now for Super bullshit strawman gotcha!!! ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/105 "2013-08-16T17:25:46Z")
You’re special. Keep swingin for those fences, slugger! ---
**Author:** ![huck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@huck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/huck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/106 "2013-08-16T17:31:53Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > It is not silly to ask a person if they would save a vat of frozen embryos over a born Child or other human; it just proves that a already born person has more value than a lot of frozen embryos. The mother has a right to life and has the option of wither she can bear the child without the risk of her own life. It is extremely silly, since the vast majority of abortions are not performed because the mother’s life will be lost if the pregnancy continues. By the way, we are all very familiar with your opinion at this point. Saying the same thing over and over doesn’t make it more thoughtful or convincing. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827/107 "2013-08-17T12:18:07Z")
> [@huck](#): > > It is extremely silly, since the vast majority of abortions are not performed because the mother’s life will be lost if the pregnancy continues. > > By the way, we are all very familiar with your opinion at this point. Saying the same thing over and over doesn’t make it more thoughtful or convincing. You have the right to your own opinion. Wither it is convincing or not, it is still my opinion that a woman has more rights than a fertile egg etc. The women that choose to abort is only up to them and their doctor, there is mental, physical and emotional, and financial reasons that only the woman and doctor know. Only if their physical life is in Jeopardy does the Law provide, after the time it is recognized that it is a child. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-birth-control-and-abortion-question-for-anti-abortion-folks/662827.md?page=5)