# Free Iraqis.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [July 8, 2003, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927 "2003-07-08T03:32:14Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
**Page:** 5
### Author:  [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/81 "2003-07-11T18:11:22Z")
Sorry to inform you but the f\*ck and _s and motherf_cker and similar words, who seem to be part of the common language all over the USA are not in my dictionary.
In my opinion they not only degrade the language, but they are also utterly vulgar, which means they degrade those who use them.
So I’ll keep the ROFLOL.
As for my "short and unhappy stay on the SDMB…
ROFLOL.
Those people who think it is a great hobby to attack new posters don’t impress me a bit.
Or do you think I’m a sort of masochist.
So sorry to disappoint you, but you and your ilk are not the only members around.
Salaam. A.
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### Author:  [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/82 "2003-07-11T19:26:15Z")
**Soup\_du\_jour** : Won’t happen again. I am sorry.
Aldebaran: \* hehehehehe, \* silly. I àm Dutch. And I still maintain yours is weird. Even if it’s supposed to be Flemish. [btw:I thought you were asked to speak English around here?]
\*_ignoring further posts_
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/83 "2003-07-11T19:37:17Z")
> [@](#):
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> _Originally posted by Aldebaran \*
> \*\*Sorry to inform you but the f_ck and _s and motherf_cker and similar words, who seem to be part of the common language all over the USA are not in my dictionary. \*\*
Unfortunately, “coherence”, “rational”, and “focussed” don’t seem to be there either.
(Still trying to figure out what \*s stands for. Is? As? Something in Dutch? )
Anyway, now you have learned the new word “meltdown”. I suspect the next word you will be taught begins with ‘B’.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/84 "2003-07-11T19:40:35Z")
ijs - maybe? [ice-cream]
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### Author:  [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/85 "2003-07-11T19:53:45Z")
Gum,
Dat dacht ik al. Veel Nederlanders hebben geen flauw benul van de Nederlandse taal. Het is geen toeval dat ik TV spelletjes zoals Tien voor Taal en in de ernstige competitie zoals het Groot Nederlands Dictee de Vlamingen vrijwel altijd winnen.
By the way: Why do you want me to write English? Can’t you even read Dutch?
Ignoring further posts is an excellent idea… I think I’m going to follow that advise.
Now jump sky high because Aldebaran follows one of your ideas. It must be extremely satisfactory seen the effort you and others make to impress me.
And to say it in the in the dialect of Antwerp:
Nog ne goeien avond makker, en salut en de kost. Gotter mor ene pakke, ast mor ni oep main kostenis.
Amaai, 'k Moet er ni on denke… d’Hollanders zulle 't stad weral platloepe vanoavend. Algo dakkik er ni bén … 'kan ni teige 't lawaait en 'kan er nog mingder teige dattie boere denke dasse plezaant zen assun broek loate zakke in’t midde van 'tstroat. Dassén 'dHollanders… altijd oepnief de flaa plezaante zolaank dasse mor nie tois zén in hun calvinistedeurp.
Edde ga soms oek nen TV ongder awe poembak oemda che da nie meudèmme van den dominei?
Joa joa makker, da’s oe datollanders gezing weurre deur de volksmens… Nie dakkik er iene ben, mor ge moet altai probère oem overal de volkskultuur te begraipe. Der zèn dollanders oek nie so straf in. Wor zedde golle faitelak wél goodin?
Surprize me.
A.
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### Author:  [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/86 "2003-07-11T22:18:16Z")
**Aldebaran,** I haven’t posted in any thread where you’ve posted so far )although I’ve read several of them with great bemusement) because quite frankly, you give me a headache. To me, life is full enough of conflicts without picking fights with people who actually agree with you most of the time. You apparently disagree with me on that point.
And the sad part is that was at almost every single anti-war demonstration in my hometown, and posted rather profusely on the anti-war side, and on the side of the POWs who have been held in Guantanamo, in violation of the Geneva Convention. Try reading some of those threads, perhaps even with an open mind and without judging people solely on the basis of their nationality or religion, because once you judge people solely on those bases, you are morally no better than Al-Qaeda. You might be surprised at the range of opinion around here.
That is all, except that I predict that if you continue to behave the way you have until now, you will have a lot more time on your hands to read threads, because you will be unable to post.
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### Author:  [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/87 "2003-07-11T22:31:51Z")
> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by Aldebaran \*
> Nog ne goeien avond makker, en salut en de kost. Gotter mor ene pakke, ast mor ni oep main kostenis.
> Amaai, 'k Moet er ni on denke… d’Hollanders zulle 't stad weral platloepe vanoavend. Algo dakkik er ni bén … 'kan ni teige 't lawaait en 'kan er nog mingder teige dattie boere denke dasse plezaant zen assun broek loate zakke in’t midde van 'tstroat. Dassén 'dHollanders… altijd oepnief de flaa plezaante zolaank dasse mor nie tois zén in hun calvinistedeurp.
> Edde ga soms oek nen TV ongder awe poembak oemda che da nie meudèmme van den dominei?
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> Joa joa makker, da’s oe datollanders gezing weurre deur de volksmens… Nie dakkik er iene ben, mor ge moet altai probère oem overal de volkskultuur te begraipe. Der zèn dollanders oek nie so straf in. Wor zedde golle faitelak wél goodin?
Ver gon jebroke let prim retiren putzkofen van dessen. Utmest, der fallujen kilngerfon das jazzen ut festeren. Nen pas comissieren furrumfest fro gefasten. Furrumph.
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### Author:  [@Jojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jojo)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/88 "2003-07-11T22:53:00Z")
> [@](#):
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> Sorry to inform you but the f\*ck and _s and motherf_cker and similar words, who seem to be part of the common language all over the USA are not in my dictionary.
> In my opinion they not only degrade the language, but they are also utterly vulgar, which means they degrade those who use them.
degrade the language…?
utterly vulgar…?
Hmm…perhaps you don’t understand English too well, Aldebaran. Swear words are an integral part of the English language, they are one of the reasons why English is the most versatile language in the world.
The word _fuck_ has a very specific meaning in English. No other word has the same meaning. If I choose to use the word _fuck_ then I am using it VERY precisely. I am only using it because no other word will do. No other word will convey my precise meaning as well as _fuck_ in that particular situation.
So therefore, in the interests of precision, I HAVE to use the word _fuck_ because no other word will do. I have no choice BUT to use the word _fuck_.
I agree that swear words shouldn’t be overused (or used in the wrong context) but, in general, they were good enough for Chaucer and for Shakespeare so they are good enough for the likes of you and me.
People like you who try to stop certain words from being used are like language censors - you are trying to limit the English language. You will fail. The English language is bigger than any of us. The word _fuck_ has a long and proud history.
People who try to limit English, my native language, in order to make it fit in with their own perception of what language should be can…well, they can fuck off.
🙂
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### Author:  [@Soup\_du\_jour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup_du_jour)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/89 "2003-07-11T22:53:47Z")
I’m confused.
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/90 "2003-07-11T22:54:30Z")
Just want to address this point:
_retrieving his towel just for this one post_
> [@](#):
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> In the meantime the machos have hijacked the thread and avoided commenting on the issue.
The main issue, as posed by the OP, seems to be: is it right for American soldiers to be slaughtering babies in Iraq? If I have misunderstood his meaning, I invite the OP to state his point in his own words.
I will now state for the record: no, I don’t think it is right for American soldiers to be slaughtering babies in Iraq. I have said so many times in this forum. Unfortunately, no one asked my permission before launching the invasion, therefore I accept no personal responsibility for it. I hope this answer is in a form acceptable to the OP.
One more thing, despite the OP’s claims to the contrary, numerous posters have commented on the issue raised by the OP, and at length. Posters who have done so (working back from this point) are:
Eva Luna
Phoenix Dragon
Space Vampire
Zanthor
NurseCarmen
Aholibah
Lemur866
El\_Kabong
mSmith537
John Mace
SentientMeat
NoClueBoy
Near as I can tell it in fact is _the OP_ who has failed to address the issue at hand, as his responses have been almost exclusively complaints about being asked to follow the rules of this forum, rather than to discuss the issue he himself raised.
Now, since the OP has managed to misunderstand nearly every thing anyone has said to him so far, and seems to be far more interested in fighting with other posters than in discussing the issues he claims to care about, I am not optimistic that the above information will mean anything to him. Nevertheless, I thought it was worth a try.
The OP is welcome to return to his pointless squabbling with the members of this board, if he so wishes.
_throws in now-filthy towel, for good this time_
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### Author:  [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/91 "2003-07-11T23:33:26Z")
I don’t know what Furrumph means, but sounds like a great way to end a post.
What _does_ it mean? Can I use it in polite company?
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### Author:  [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)
#### Post date: [July 12, 2003, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/92 "2003-07-12T00:16:45Z")
Last post in this thread, I promise.
Since **Shodan** is too proper to blow his own horn and say “I told you so,” I just want to point out his prescient post at the top of this page wherein he gave a blow-by-blow prediction of how this thread would turn out:
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> … in my experience, posts such as yours above are part of an almost standard “newbie arc” that begins “I am the first to point out this obviously true position” and continues on to “How dare you question what I have written” thru to “You are not smart enough to see that what I have spoken is true” or “Well, if you don’t like my posts, you don’t have to read them” and then descends to “You are all picking on me” down to “the mods are picking on me because I am not part of the SDMB Secret Elite Club” and then finally to a meltdown and “I will never return to this messageboard again - so there!”
**shodan** : I like that guy!
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### Author:  [@aurelian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurelian)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2003, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/93 "2003-07-13T05:40:31Z")
> [@](#):
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> Sorry to inform you but the f\*ck and _s and motherf_cker and similar words, who seem to be part of the common language all over the USA are not in my dictionary.
> In my opinion they not only degrade the language, but they are also utterly vulgar, which means they degrade those who use them.
>
> So I’ll keep the ROFLOL.
I think that \*\* Aldebaran\*\* thought that ROFLMAO somehow included ‘motherf\*cker’. It means Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off.
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### Author:  [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2003, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/94 "2003-07-13T06:33:19Z")
aurelian,
I know what it means… and it is one of the words I referred to.
Although I found the class in defence of “fuck” very touching and amuzing. And probably the poster is right from his point of view.
Yet I shall never be seduced to use those type of words.
Others,
Yes, I’m very well aware of it that not all US’ers supported the Iraq invasion. We had coverage of the anti-war demonstrations in the USA, something the USA media managed to almost completely ignore in their free, unbiased uninfluenced uncontrolled CeeNothingNews, Fog News and related.
I also know that US’ers ans other people from all over the globe posting on message boards including this one share that view.
If you could stop taking everything as personal attacks and react like my cobra would do if I scared her (she doesn’t do me anything under normal circumstances, even snakes grow accustumed to me) things would clear up just a little bit.
Oh, almost forgot to pass some information:
There is some new addition posted on the rules. Sadly enough non English posts are unlawful from now on.
Amai.
Salaam. A.
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### Author:  [@Phoenix\_Dragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoenix_Dragon)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2003, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/95 "2003-07-13T13:02:38Z")
> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by Aldebaran \*
> **If you could stop taking everything as personal attacks and react like my cobra would do if I scared her (she doesn’t do me anything under normal circumstances, even snakes grow accustumed to me) things would clear up just a little bit.**
When you treat every single person as if they hold the most absolutely vile ideals that you can concoct for them, don’t be surprised if some of them resent it.
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### Author:  [@MmmDonut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MmmDonut)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2003, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-iraqis/186927/96 "2003-07-13T14:18:38Z")
**Aldebaran** , you make no sense. It’s that simple. Until you do, this will be the end result of all your threads.
Is this about dead Iraqis or the invasion? In any case, what would you have us do? The war has already occurred. Personally, I had nothing to do with it. I’m a normal person, just like you. Just like the vast majority of people here. I have no control over the government. I believe all war is wrong. You use too broad a brush in your characerization of the average U.S. citizen. Every deprecating remark you make about the U.S. or its population in general is a direct attack on all of us. I am convinced that some of us in this country have similar levels of resentment as far as the invasion of Iraq goes. I’ve seen such sentiments expressed, and you could find many people who will agree wholeheartedly with you if, first of all, you tried to be polite, even if you don’t particularly respect any of us. The beautiful thing about text communication is that you can be totally insincere without your physical appearance betraying you. You should try it. That is, unless your intention was not reasonable debate. If that is the case, carry on.
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