# Free Speech Consequences **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390 "2016-06-03T15:01:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/1 "2016-06-03T15:01:18Z")
Another shitlord getting what he deserves for provoking an anti-Trump and anti-American mob with speech. [Trump supporters injured/bleeding after protesters get violent in San Jose. - YouTube](https://youtu.be/a4ITP5-efLY) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/2 "2016-06-03T15:08:13Z")
More a rant, really Off to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/3 "2016-06-03T15:10:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Another shitlord getting what he deserves for provoking an anti-Trump and anti-American mob with speech. [https://youtu.be/a4ITP5-efLY](https://youtu.be/a4ITP5-efLY) We don’t get to see the actual attacks, and we only get to hear one side of the story-“No, we did _nothing_ to provoke anything! They attacked us for no reason, and we did nothing to them!” Love the comments from the supporters, btw. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/4 "2016-06-03T15:16:28Z")
People who resort to this sort of conduct are fucking idiots, regardless of which side they are on. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/5 "2016-06-03T15:22:26Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > More a rant, really > > Off to the Pit. Well, it was meant to be a debate on what rights a provoked mob has for dishing out consequences. People were told to stop distracting the Donald Trump thread in elections forum and start a new thread to discuss freedom of speech. My fault for the lack of commentary in the op. Well, as I’ve said since the very first thread of participated in on these forums consequences to free speech should never include violence. > **[‘I've Never Seen Anything Like That in America': Trump's San Jose Rally Draws...](https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/donald-trump-rally-in-san-jose-draws-protesters/1999830/)** > > Police are working to clear hundreds of protesters who gathered outside Donald Trump’s rally in San Jose late Thursday. Just a question for those who blame the victim what do you think is going to happen in the general election if left wing thugs don’t calm down? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/6 "2016-06-03T15:32:06Z")
It would have helped your case if the video you had shown what they actually described…but as it is, we have no idea whether or not the people in the video are being accurate, or are full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/7 "2016-06-03T15:32:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Just a question for those who blame the victim what do you think is going to happen in the general election if left wing thugs don’t calm down? What always happens in these sorts of situations… right wing thugs will step up and people on both sides will end up getting hurt (or worse). It will become ugly. Let’s hope cooler heads prevail and it doesn’t come to that. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/8 "2016-06-03T15:34:24Z")
Why are Hillary supporters so violent and hateful? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/9 "2016-06-03T15:40:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Well, it was meant to be a debate on what rights a provoked mob has for dishing out consequences. Can you quote the part of your OP from which anyone was supposed to deduce that? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/10 "2016-06-03T15:43:34Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Why are Hillary supporters so violent and hateful? Can you tell us at what point in the linked video this happens? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/11 "2016-06-03T15:48:17Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Why are Hillary supporters so violent and hateful? Because Trump supporters deserve it ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/12 "2016-06-03T16:01:14Z")
This is not a first amendment issue. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/13 "2016-06-03T16:12:26Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Why are Hillary supporters so violent and hateful? Ever try being violent and kindhearted? Much harder! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/14 "2016-06-03T16:19:10Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Ever try being violent and kindhearted? Much harder! I hit you because I love you. How else will you learn to be a better person? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/15 "2016-06-03T16:33:50Z")
I prefer nonviolent and hateful. Lawful Evil is a legitimate life choice, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/16 "2016-06-03T16:34:52Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > This is not a first amendment issue. Yeah yeah yeah. We all know that since a mob is not an agent of the state, usually, that it’s not government infringing on a right. No one is claiming that point of view so leave that poor strawman alone. The point is if parts of society responds to free speech and the exercise of fundamental rights with violence than one solution is to escalate the violence. Fight fire with fire and let the strongest mob win. I don’t think that’s a path the majority of society wants so I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to work to eradicate violent protests. Justifying mob violence as legitimate because it was provoked by speech is being part of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/17 "2016-06-03T16:42:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t think that’s a path the majority of society wants so I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to work to eradicate violent protests. Justifying mob violence as legitimate because it was provoked by speech is being part of the problem. So who’s arguing?.. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/18 "2016-06-03T16:45:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yeah yeah yeah. We all know that since a mob is not an agent of the state, usually, that it’s not government infringing on a right. No one is claiming that point of view so leave that poor strawman alone. > > The point is if parts of society responds to free speech and the exercise of fundamental rights with violence than one solution is to escalate the violence. Fight fire with fire and let the strongest mob win. > > I don’t think that’s a path the majority of society wants so I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to work to eradicate violent protests. Justifying mob violence as legitimate because it was provoked by speech is being part of the problem. Show us the unprovoked mob violence in your link, please. At what point in the video does it happen? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/19 "2016-06-03T16:53:17Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I hit you because I love you. How else will you learn to be a better person? [Daddy drinks because I cry.](https://explicitshirtstore.com/image/cache/catalog/data/YN9-Daddy-Drinks-Because-I-CRY/Onesies/YN9-Daddy-Drinks-Because-I-CRY-Baby-Onesie-6mo-12mo-Light-Blue-800x800.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/20 "2016-06-03T17:05:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Show us the unprovoked mob violence in your link, please. At what point in the video does it happen? ~2.7s. Did you not see the guy get hit from behind with a bag containing something? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390.md?page=2)