# Free Speech Consequences **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390 "2016-06-03T15:01:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/61 "2016-06-04T05:27:11Z")
[quote=“doorhinge, post:50, topic:756390”] Are you actually advocating for the violence of Mexican nationalists, and the anti-free speech thugs? It appears that the anti-America/anti-free speech mob was very busy. Mexican flags seem to be very popular. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CytcX2uG5-s [/QUOTE] No. My post was sarcasm. I’m pretty consistent with tolerance of free speech and press. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/62 "2016-06-04T05:36:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Given that the OP is octopus, it’s more correctly termed a stupidity than a rant. > > The correct place for any response to the imbecile octopus. An e-stalker? Point on the doll where the mean octopus touched you. This thread is not about me, btw, I know it’s hard to stay on topic. It’s about people who get aggressive and violent when people exercise free speech and how that’s wrong. Not like you have the iq to grasp why the protection of fundamental rights, even rights exercised in an offensive manner, are important to a free society. You are so retarded, which is ironic, that you think advocating for a particular right is identical to the content of a specific expression of that right. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/63 "2016-06-04T05:41:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Just so it’s on record, violence against people for supporting a politician is always unacceptable, and the violence shown in these videos is disgusting. Whatever small minority of Trump protesters are conducting and tolerating this sort of violence should stop, both because it’s morally wrong and because it _helps Trump_. Morally wrong is reason enough. But you do bring up what I’ve been warning the left about. Backlash. Eventually the right is going to respond with violence and then this gets real ugly real fast. Or the right doesn’t and political violence is seen as the tool of the far, radical, left and the desire for law and order politicians grows. Either way this violence is counterproductive as well as immoral. You are correct. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/64 "2016-06-04T06:39:55Z")
It is not “exercising free speech” to make incendiary and abusive accusations about some ethnic minority. That is _abusing_ free speech, its turning out Lady Liberty and putting her on the streets for a common whore. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/65 "2016-06-04T09:01:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is not “exercising free speech” to make incendiary and abusive accusations about some ethnic minority. That is _abusing_ free speech, its turning out Lady Liberty and putting her on the streets for a common whore. Are you able to objectively define the terms ‘incendiary’ and ‘abusive’? ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/66 "2016-06-04T13:01:33Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Of course, leave it to a mentally-challenge chimp like **doorhinge** to both misunderstand the OP and then try and turn this into a battle of links, as if that means anything. The sarcasm of the OP wouldn’t be obvious if you weren’t already familiar with the poster. We also have two threads in the pit that amount to link battle/pile-ones. Those two being the stupid gun news and controversial encounters with law enforcement the latter of which you started. A good number of posts in those thread have rather subjective narratives with a decidedly left of center bias. **Doorhinge** posting links of the regressive left is par for the course. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/67 "2016-06-04T13:16:11Z")
Even the title of the OP is sarcastic. It is an attempt to insinuate that whenever anyone says something like “free speech has consequences”, they are condoning the ultimate consequence which is violence. Far from it. The phrase almost always means “of course you have free speech: stop responding to our criticism by saying you have free speech. We are also free to use our speech to say you’re a big doodoohead, or, horror of horrors, as private citizens use our pocketbook to disassociate ourselves from your contemptible views. If we do, that is not impinging on your right to free speech.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/68 "2016-06-04T14:28:50Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Are you able to objectively define the terms ‘incendiary’ and ‘abusive’? It’s relative and it depends on the context. If blue collar neighbors show up at a 4th of July barbecue and talk about how America has too many immigrants over a few Budweisers, that’s one thing. Depending on what’s said, it might still be repugnant but it’s not disruptive. But when it’s a presidential candidate, one of two left in the race, who makes remarks to that effect and suggests that he might take action that harms communities who haven’t the power to fight back, that’s another matter altogether. It’s legally protected speech, but it’s also necessarily emotionally inflammatory for reasons that really need no explanation and as such, it’s irresponsible. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/69 "2016-06-04T16:41:53Z")
Pretty much. But I don’t really thing clarification was **Tithonus** ’ goal, but an invitation to engage semantic nitpickery, the kind of thing that leads otherwise sensible people to post definitions from dictionaries as though that proved something. I hate that more than licorice. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/70 "2016-06-04T17:55:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Just so it’s on record, violence against people for supporting a politician is always unacceptable, and the violence shown in these videos is disgusting. Whatever small minority of Trump protesters are conducting and tolerating this sort of violence should stop, both because it’s **morally wrong and because it _helps Trump_**. (Emphasis mine) Well now you’re just being redundant. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/71 "2016-06-04T21:06:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > . . . its turning out Lady Liberty and putting her on the streets for a common whore. Nonsense; she’s a high-class whore. She put out for the railroads and banks in the Robber Baron age, and she put out for the tobacco and oil companies in the Reagan era. She doesn’t have to turn tricks for us peons; she’s in bed with the Hedge Funds and Big Pharma. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/72 "2016-06-04T21:23:42Z")
I’m not sure who the shitlord is, but that is a goddamn funny word! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/73 "2016-06-04T21:44:52Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Nonsense; she’s a high-class whore. She put out for the railroads and banks in the Robber Baron age, and she put out for the tobacco and oil companies in the Reagan era. She doesn’t have to turn tricks for us peons; she’s in bed with the Hedge Funds and Big Pharma. This is what happens when you take your cues on liberty from some watery tart with a torch. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/74 "2016-06-04T22:23:28Z")
Don’t have much taste, either, “send me your raggedy-ass mofos from _everywhere_!” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/75 "2016-06-06T22:25:55Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s like free tickets to a Vegas show, watching you swing at air. I feel so guilty but I can’t look away. Hahahaha. Watching you attempting to advocate for the violence of Mexican nationalists and the anti-free speech thugs is a joy to behold. You must believe that violence is the answer. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/76 "2016-06-06T22:46:38Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > That one is particularly awful. It looks like the last thing they threw in her face(egg?) might have hurt a bit. Punching people and hitting them with backpacks may have hurt more. Did you notice the Mexican flags that were prominently displayed by the violent thugs and those threatening violence in the videos? I hope Californian voters took notice. Can we assume Californians will, or will not, be intimidated by the threat of future violence from the Mexican nationalists and the anti-free speech thugs if the Californian voters do not chose to vote the way the Mexican nationalists and the anti-free speech thugs demand that they do? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/77 "2016-06-06T22:50:30Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > …Of course, leave it to a mentally-challenge chimp like **doorhinge** to both misunderstand the OP and then try and turn this into a battle of links, as if that means anything. (post shortened) Hahahaha. Have I managed to hurt your feelings? Again? Your life must really suck. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/78 "2016-06-07T00:14:59Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Did you notice the Mexican flags that were prominently displayed by the violent thugs and those threatening violence in the videos? I hope Californian voters took notice. > > Can we assume Californians will, or will not, be intimidated by the threat of future violence from the Mexican nationalists and the anti-free speech thugs if the Californian voters do not chose to vote the way the Mexican nationalists and the anti-free speech thugs demand that they do? California has already ruled that in the case of a school setting, [banning wearing the American Flag can be prohibited while allowing the Mexican flag.](http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/11-17858/11-17858-2014-02-27.html) Because apparently the American flag would incite violence. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/79 "2016-06-07T00:48:42Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > California has already ruled that in the case of a school setting, [banning wearing the American Flag can be prohibited while allowing the Mexican flag.](http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/11-17858/11-17858-2014-02-27.html) Because apparently the American flag would incite violence. :rolleyes: File that under “why can \*they \*say nigger but I can’t ? abloobloobloo” ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390/80 "2016-06-07T00:57:22Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Hahahaha. Have I managed to hurt your feelings? Again? Your life must really suck. 😃 I’m not sure where you get the impressions that my feelings are hurt. For someone to hurt my feelings, i have to care about and have some respect for what they say. Believe me, you don’t qualify on either count. You’re a shit-flinging monkey, nothing more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/free-speech-consequences/756390.md?page=5)