# Freedom 250 - The Great American State Fair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2026, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470 "2026-05-29T03:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/761 "2026-07-05T06:46:44Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Or were they mostly lowlights? I was outside looking in through the window, but I swear I saw him make an old vet stand in the corner. This is a half-joke. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/762 "2026-07-05T06:52:45Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > It’s Trumps all the way down. And they get smaller and smaller. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/763 "2026-07-05T07:09:20Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Apparently, while this was happening, the Fox News commentary team were begging Trump to turn around and wave to their camera, and he just ignored them and continued staring at himself. I don’t know that he was able to track the situation and understood that they were telling him, in that moment, to turn around. He may not have understood he was watching himself live. Yes, I know that sounds ridiculous, but the dude has dementia. Meta-referential things like understanding you’re watching yourself on TV can be confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/764 "2026-07-05T07:27:06Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yes, I know that sounds ridiculous, but the dude has dementia. Meta-referential things like understanding you’re watching yourself on TV can be confusing. And yet, watching himself live in real time on TV is probably the closest thing to the ideal sensory experience that that shallow narcissist has ever had. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/765 "2026-07-05T08:16:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > watching himself live in real time There is always that tiny little delay that I’m sure short-circuited his Jello Mind and made him shit himself just to make the other guy do it too. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/766 "2026-07-05T11:54:58Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t know that he was able to track the situation and understood that they were telling him, in that moment, to turn around. He may not have understood he was watching himself live or have the abstract spacial reasoning to know that to look at the camera you would turn away from the TV. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/767 "2026-07-05T13:21:32Z")
That’s a preview of him sitting in his Heavenly throne. One of those insignificant specks of light is Earth. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/768 "2026-07-05T14:11:46Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > or have the abstract spacial reasoning to know that to look at the camera you would turn away from the TV. Donnie, baby. It’s _person, man, woman, **CAMERA, TV**._ He’s been on camera enough that he should know this. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/769 "2026-07-05T19:15:27Z")
[![](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_60,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_100,w_88,c_scale,f_avif/v200/nwiclezxamdqd2olkmu0) ](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_60,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_100,w_88,c_scale,f_avif/v200/nwiclezxamdqd2olkmu0) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/770 "2026-07-05T19:40:54Z")
[![](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/v200/wuaf5znwnmk6z4v6dlvu) ](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/v200/wuaf5znwnmk6z4v6dlvu) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/771 "2026-07-05T19:53:04Z")
[![](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/v200/f8x0cyaefpk01hqmzeof) ](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/v200/f8x0cyaefpk01hqmzeof) ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/772 "2026-07-05T20:02:51Z")
When the ceiling fell off that stage, they were rehearsing their rendition of “Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy”. Even their target audience of one doesn’t want to hear that! ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/773 "2026-07-05T20:12:38Z")
I thought he would claim 100,000 but this is even more delusional. > [@Trump](#): > > The Crowd at 7:05 in the evening was 422,000 people! All were forced to leave because of the weather, the event was cancelled, and everyone was gone because of lightning. When I heard that it was cancelled, I immediately overturned that decision, and waited a while for people to come back. Incredibly, at least 150,000 people returned, Yes, definitely not credible. ---
**Author:** ![RAWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@RAWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RAWDuke)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/774 "2026-07-05T20:23:39Z")
How can there be no actual crowd estimates other than Trumps insane numbers? I got this from a Brave (browser) AI search: **No official or independent crowd count exists** for President Trump’s July 4, 2026, speech. While Trump claimed **150,000** attendees returned after the storm, fact-checkers and major news organizations state there is **no evidence to verify this number**. The **National Park Service** , which historically managed crowd estimates for the Mall, no longer releases official attendance figures for such events, leaving no authoritative data to confirm or refute the President’s claims. Consequently, the only concrete numbers available are the unverified estimates provided by the President himself. Is there no legit news source with a drone that can provide an actual crowd count? ---
**Author:** ![IkesAcolyte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ikesacolyte/32/19012_2.png) [@IkesAcolyte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IkesAcolyte)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/775 "2026-07-05T20:30:35Z")
There probably absolutely is an official account, but Trump and his cronies are probably keeping it as hush-hush as possible. Both to force people to parrot that “422,000/150,000” statistic, and to also save some of the embarrassment for having a turnout of three figures. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/776 "2026-07-05T20:35:47Z")
We all should know Trump and crowd size claims by now. Reality does not factor in to it, just the way Republicans like it. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/777 "2026-07-05T20:38:11Z")
> [@RAWDuke](#): > > Is there no legit news source with a drone that can provide an actual crowd count? Doubtful if anybody could legally fly a drone over the mall in DC. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/778 "2026-07-05T21:12:50Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Doubtful if anybody could legally fly a drone over the mall in DC. Especially while the president is giving a speech there. Anyway, I’ve been wondering if any news stories have offered up credible numbers on the crowd size at his speech. The only news stories I’ve seen about the crowds involve people having to be evacuated because of the weather, and the stragglers who refused to leave even after being ordered to by the Secret Service. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/779 "2026-07-05T23:20:20Z")
[Here’s video from MeidasTouch](https://youtu.be/H3DcRSQ-y6Y?t=19). Lots of empty seats. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470/780 "2026-07-05T23:51:57Z")
Imagine being a little kid and being dragged to this “fair”. It looks like the most unfun thing imaginable. Broiling for a few hours so you can listen to trump drone on and on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-250-the-great-american-state-fair/1030470.md?page=40)