# Freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of consistency **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2006, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969 "2006-02-04T05:39:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![AFAIKnow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@AFAIKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AFAIKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/41 "2006-02-05T06:22:50Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’m running from nothing. The argument i was hoping the moron would respond to was posted hours ago, and he has responded to this thread at least twice since then without addressing those issues. He’s made it quite clear that he’s not interested in intelligent debate over it. > > Or, to be honest, maybe he’s just like you and doesn’t have the intellectual capacity for it. Yay, your back. Too bad you don’t have anything to add but insults, but I take back the coward and will settle with petulant boob. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/42 "2006-02-05T06:26:45Z")
> [@AFAIKnow](#): > > YToo bad you don’t have anything to add but insults… Interesting, coming from the guy whose third post in this thread called **Diogenes** an “arrogant asshole,” and who waved a bunch of rolleye smileys in my face before i ever offered an insult to you. Pot, meet kettle. ---
**Author:** ![AFAIKnow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@AFAIKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AFAIKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/43 "2006-02-05T06:48:42Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Interesting, coming from the guy whose third post in this thread called **Diogenes** an “arrogant asshole,” and who waved a bunch of rolleye smileys in my face before i ever offered an insult to you. > > Pot, meet kettle. **DtC** is an arrogant asshole, and I tell him every chance I get. You stated your opinion on something and then “period”, as in “that is final”, no more discussion needed on the matter. You don’t have to insult me to get my contempt for something you post. If you think that even a strong disagreement in what you type is an insult to you, then you have verythin skin. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/44 "2006-02-05T07:18:14Z")
[quote=mhendo] You mean, like when she wrote: > [@](#): > > This from the network that showed no respect for Christians when it forged ahead with the religion-mocking show, “The Book of Daniel.” Yup, she said that. And the entire point of her article was that the media treats Christians and Muslims differently when they, or at least a portion of them, get offended. This may or may not be a valid interpretation (I think it has some value, but that’s neither here nor there), but the idea that her observations are somehow “Anti-Christian” when she notes the difference is nonsense that you made up out of whole cloth. > [@mhendo](#): > > I notice that you’re still too much of a coward to respond to my earlier rebuttals of your “arguments.” You haven’t “rebutted” any of my arguments. You’ve simply set up the straw man of an Anti-Christian, Pro-Muslim media bias and attacked it. > [@mhendo](#): > > But don’t bother now; you’re too pathetic for words, you ignorant fucking hump, and you’re no longer worth the effort. _shrug_ So don’t bother. When you started here you actually had some interesting points to make. Lately it seems that it’s all become personal for you and you are simply here to lash out at people who you imagine are somehow against you. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/45 "2006-02-05T07:19:35Z")
Could a roving mod please fix my coding in my last post? There was supposed to be another [/quote] after “Book of Daniel” ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/46 "2006-02-05T07:29:32Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > When you started here you actually had some interesting points to make. Lately it seems that it’s all become personal for you and you are simply here to lash out at people who you imagine are somehow against you. That line’s getting a bit tired. You seem to pull out some version of this story in half the threads where i disagree with you. Here’s a clue, moron: i manage to have perfectly rational discussions and disagreements with plenty of folks on this message board. The fact that you’re an irrational fucktard who never met a liberal he couldn’t needlessly condescend to is the reason that you raise my ire. That, and your increasingly embarrassing attempts to paint yourself as some sort of moderate battling against the extremes of American politics. Pol Pot called his country Democratic Kampuchea; calling it that didn’t make it true, though. Your hysterical bleating against the alleged takeover by the “loony left” speaks louder than your self-proclaimed moderation. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/47 "2006-02-05T10:47:33Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > That line’s getting a bit tired. You seem to pull out some version of this story in half the threads where i disagree with you. Here’s a clue, moron: i manage to have perfectly rational discussions and disagreements with plenty of folks on this message board. > > The fact that you’re an irrational fucktard who never met a liberal he couldn’t needlessly condescend to is the reason that you raise my ire. That, and your increasingly embarrassing attempts to paint yourself as some sort of moderate battling against the extremes of American politics. Pol Pot called his country Democratic Kampuchea; calling it that didn’t make it true, though. Your hysterical bleating against the alleged takeover by the “loony left” speaks louder than your self-proclaimed moderation. Ahhhh, Pol Pot. Can Goodwin be far behind? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/48 "2006-02-05T15:03:38Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Ahhhh, Pol Pot. Can Goodwin be far behind? It was simply an observation that how someone describes themself is not necessarily how they actually are. Why am i not surprised that this was too difficult for you to grasp? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/49 "2006-02-05T15:46:49Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Ahhhh, Pol Pot. Can Goodwin be far behind? There was a [_band_](http://www.meetgoodwin.com/) named “Pol Pot”? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/50 "2006-02-05T18:40:56Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > It was simply an observation that how someone describes themself is not necessarily how they actually are. > > Why am i not surprised that this was too difficult for you to grasp? You’ve ignored the issue here (your straw man) in favor of continued insults. That speaks volumes to the lack of substance in your posts. Now go ahead. Call me a moron. Call me an idiot. Ignore that straw man and maybe people will forget about it. Maybe. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/51 "2006-02-06T03:11:03Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > This is fine and dandy if you are the final worldwide arbitrator of offense. Since you’re not, where is the line. huh? If a dozen Christians find the West picture offensive, should it be censored? A hundred? A thousand? A hundred thousand? A million? Where is the line at which censorship becomes acceptable? Personally, I don’t find either one offensive. Where’s the censorship? What we have, so far, is one American media company (CNN) and one French paper, choosing on their own to be weenies. That’s their choice. That’s not censorship. If it is, then every time the U.S. press changes their reporting due to one party or the other “working the refs,” then that’s censorship too. Which it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/52 "2006-02-06T05:01:42Z")
Actually, a lot of American companies have taken the weenie route. According to [this article in The Boston Globe](http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/02/05/we_are_all_danes_now/), only the New York Sun has published any of the pictures, as of Friday. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969/53 "2006-02-06T09:53:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That’s pretty much what I said in one of the GD threads, and I think it’s the right thing to do, journalistically. > > As to the OP: I’m not sure how much sense this will make, but I think we’re regrettably coming to the point where people just think that Muslims, or certain subsets of Muslims at least, are not held to the same standard of human behavior as the rest of us. It’s like they think these Muslims are temperamental, ill-behaved children. Instead of suggesting that they deal with it, as we would say to most American groups who are freaking out about almost anything, for example, people assume that Muslims will overreact and suggest we just tiptoe around that reaction. > > I’m not speaking of anyone in particular here. Just commenting on an attitude that seems to have set in. Quite. Fundamentalist Muslim violence has de-facto set limits to free speech, (we can’t say or show certain things because we know we run the risk of a violent and sometimes personally deadly backlash) which was the reason the Danish paper published the cartoons in the first place. Point proven. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freedom-of-the-press-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-consistency/342969.md?page=2)