# Freepers make racist attacks on Malia Obama for wearing a peace-sign t-shirt **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 14, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011 "2009-07-14T18:13:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/141 "2009-07-15T20:10:27Z")
> [@AThingWithFeathers](#): > > Just popping in to say that sexism is sexism, whether it is directed towards Sarah Palin’s daughters or Barack Obama’s. It may be less socially acceptable to attack Obama’s daughters because of their age, but it wasn’t acceptable for Letterman to attack Bristol/other daughter either. The word “whore” is way too freely applied to attack young women. > > It amazes me how liberal the Dope is, yet you find justification for sexism by people who would otherwise consider themselves liberal or PC. Leaving aside the question of propriety in general, how does implying that Bristol Palin is a slut for having premaritial sex make one “sexist?” ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/142 "2009-07-15T20:14:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Not even then. LOL fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/143 "2009-07-15T20:15:09Z")
I’m sure people would make jokes if Sarah Palin had a son who had gotten someone pregnant when he was still a teenager/out of wedlock. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/144 "2009-07-15T20:16:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Leaving aside the question of propriety in general, how does implying that Bristol Palin is a slut for having premaritial sex make one “sexist?” Because it singles her out as a girl. Then again things have changed and we don’t think there is something wrong with having premarital sex anymore. It’s an anachronistic double-standard. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/145 "2009-07-15T20:19:04Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > [Gee I wonder why.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8783970&postcount=1) He can’t swim? > [@](#): > > Just popping in to say that sexism is sexism, whether it is directed towards Sarah Palin’s daughters or Barack Obama’s. It may be less socially acceptable to attack Obama’s daughters because of their age, but it wasn’t acceptable for Letterman to attack Bristol/other daughter either. The word “whore” is way too freely applied to attack young women. > > It amazes me how liberal the Dope is, yet you find justification for sexism by people who would otherwise consider themselves liberal or PC. You should post more often. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/146 "2009-07-15T20:24:42Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > [Gee I wonder why.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8783970&postcount=1) I bet I could find tons of examples of atrocities committed by Christians, yet if I made a blanket statement about hating them I’d be roundly criticized for using a broad brush. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/147 "2009-07-15T20:31:21Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > I bet I could find tons of examples of atrocities committed by Christians, yet if I made a blanket statement about hating them I’d be roundly criticized for using a broad brush. Granted. But it’s a little different when outright murder is the policy of the government, don’t you think? I mean, the point I was trying to make is that if lalenin “hates commies” maybe it should be considered that he came by that attitude honestly, and that the perspective that you gain from actually living under a communist regime might be a little different from the one the rest of us have. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/148 "2009-07-15T20:40:51Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Umm…it’s not a funny joke unless it implies she’s a whore, that’s the entire point. That she’d get pregnant just by being near to A-Rod. > > I’m sorry, but I don’t believe that you are actually as dumb as you are pretending to be. I think the joke went over your head, not mine. There’s nothing funny about calling a woman a whore, neither does getting pregnant _make_ a woman a whore. We cannot infer from Bristol Palin’s pregnancy that she was promiscuous, or that she ever had more than one partner. What we can infer is that she didn’t know how to use birth control. The fact that her ignorance was the result of abstinece only education is the target of the joke, and all the more so that she has apparently decided to become an advocate for the very education policy which got her pregnant. ETA, I think this wild difference in perception of what should be inferred about a teenage pregnancy might show something about the diffrence between the way liberal and social conservatives see sex. Conservatives can’t see a sexually active, unmarried woman as anything but a whore. ---
**Author:** ![Maia\_s\_Well](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Maia\_s\_Well](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maia_s_Well)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/149 "2009-07-15T20:55:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Leaving aside the question of propriety in general, how does implying that Bristol Palin is a slut for having premaritial sex make one “sexist?” If one calls Bristol a slut for having sex before marriage, but doesn’t also consider Levi a slut, wouldn’t that be sexist? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/150 "2009-07-15T20:55:16Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Granted. But it’s a little different when outright murder is the policy of the government, don’t you think? I mean, the point I was trying to make is that if lalenin “hates commies” maybe it should be considered that he came by that attitude honestly, and that the perspective that you gain from actually living under a communist regime might be a little different from the one the rest of us have. And whom should the lucky duckies who lived under Somoza, Uguarte, Pinochet, Batista, etc. hate? Us? How about those who died for Ronnie’s Excellent Military Adventure in Grenada? How about the union organizers given flying lessons over the ocean by the Argentine military junta? Didn’t work out, they couldn’t fly. But, by golly, they kept on trying! Flapped their arms all the way down, they did! ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/151 "2009-07-15T20:56:56Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Because she and her mom claimed abstinence-only education works and is good, and obviously it doesn’t, because she got pregnant. Did Bristol Palin get abstinence only education? Or was she corrupted by the filthy minded liberals in our school system who taught her pre-marital sex was not only acceptable, but a requirement? Until we know that, we don’t know if she is being a hypocrite in supporting abstinence only education. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/152 "2009-07-15T20:58:03Z")
> [@AThingWithFeathers](#): > > Just popping in to say that sexism is sexism, whether it is directed towards Sarah Palin’s daughters or Barack Obama’s. It may be less socially acceptable to attack Obama’s daughters because of their age, but it wasn’t acceptable for Letterman to attack Bristol/other daughter either. The word “whore” is way too freely applied to attack young women. > > It amazes me how liberal the Dope is, yet you find justification for sexism by people who would otherwise consider themselves liberal or PC. Letterman didn’t call anybody a whore. Anyone who thinks he did only thinks so because of their own sexist assumptions. His joke also included Alex Rodriguez as a sexual partner. Was that sexist? was he calling A-Rod a “whore?” Beyond that, Letterman’s joke did not attack or demean Bristol for sexual behavior or gender, but, at worst, only riffed on her lack of education about birth control. Even that was only a secondary implicatoon. The main target was Sarah, not Bristol. There is no equivalence here. You can’t compare a joke about an adult, politically active, unwed, abstinence preaching mother getting pregnant again with calling an 11 year old black girl “ghetto trash” for wearing a peace symbol. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/153 "2009-07-15T20:58:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And whom should the lucky duckies who lived under Somoza, Uguarte, Pinochet, Batista, etc. hate? Us? How about those who died for Ronnie’s Excellent Military Adventure in Grenada? > > How about the union organizers given flying lessons over the ocean by the Argentine military junta? Didn’t work out, they couldn’t fly. But, by golly, they kept on trying! Flapped their arms all the way down, they did! Where did I say those bastard shouldn’t be hated as well? My FIL grew up under Batista…he didn’t have any kind words, believe me. ---
**Author:** ![Maia\_s\_Well](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Maia\_s\_Well](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maia_s_Well)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/154 "2009-07-15T20:59:46Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > So, she’s the new Olsen Twins, then ? > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Oh, I totally missed that joke. **kenner** wins the thread. Someone please explain to me that this is not a sex joke about Malia. Please. Please. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/155 "2009-07-15T20:59:58Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Leaving aside the question of propriety in general, how does implying that Bristol Palin is a slut for having premaritial sex make one “sexist?” Because a teenage girl who gets herself pregnant is a “slut”, while a teenager who bags himself a girl early gets high fives ? So, basically, the old “saint or whore” thought process. Takes its sweet ass time dying out, that one. @ **Maia’s Well** : on my part, it was… sorta. I was smirkingly observing that **kenner** ’s "only X days [till she’s legal] was reminiscent of the “only X days” geek meme about the Olsen twins a few years ago. So it’s a sexual joke, but if anything it’s more about the Olsen twins that about Malia, and it’s really, really more about geek fantasms than either. And if that still offends you, fuck you with a chainsaw. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/156 "2009-07-15T21:03:17Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I think the joke went over your head, not mine. There’s nothing funny about calling a woman a whore, neither does getting pregnant _make_ a woman a whore. We cannot infer from Bristol Palin’s pregnancy that she was promiscuous, or that she ever had more than one partner. What we can infer is that she didn’t know how to use birth control. The fact that her ignorance was the result of abstinece only education is the target of the joke, and all the more so that she has apparently decided to become an advocate for the very education policy which got her pregnant. > > ETA, I think this wild difference in perception of what should be inferred about a teenage pregnancy might show something about the diffrence between the way liberal and social conservatives see sex. Conservatives can’t see a sexually active, unmarried woman as anything but a whore. No it is definitely your head it went over, if you are being honest that is. The joke is essentially, “That Palin girl is such a whore, she got knocked up randomly at a baseball game.”, without the implication of being whore there isn’t a joke. The joke doesn’t center around her getting pregnant it centers around her getting knocked up by A-Rod. The abstinence only stuff isn’t even a part of the equation, that’s just you bringing in your partisan political bias and inserting some nonsense that wasn’t implied. The joke is about her fucking A-Rod randomly at a baseball game, meaning that she’s such a whore that she can’t even go to a game without getting knocked up. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/157 "2009-07-15T21:04:55Z")
> [@Maia\_s\_Well](#): > > Someone please explain to me that this is not a sex joke about Malia. Please. > > Please. Well, yes, but the joke is about having sex with her in seven years- and I presume neither **Diogenes** nor **kenner** finds her sexually attractive. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/158 "2009-07-15T21:08:58Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Did Bristol Palin get abstinence only education? [New West](http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/is_alaska_an_abstinence_only_state/C564/L564/) It’s unclear. > [@villa](#): > > Or was she corrupted by the filthy minded liberals in our school system who taught her pre-marital sex was not only acceptable, but a requirement? What? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/159 "2009-07-15T21:09:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And whom should the lucky duckies who lived under Somoza, Uguarte, Pinochet, Batista, etc. hate? Us? How about those who died for Ronnie’s Excellent Military Adventure in Grenada? > > How about the union organizers given flying lessons over the ocean by the Argentine military junta? Didn’t work out, they couldn’t fly. But, by golly, they kept on trying! Flapped their arms all the way down, they did! post deleted ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011/160 "2009-07-15T21:11:31Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > No it is definitely your head it went over, if you are being honest that is. > > The joke is essentially, “That Palin girl is such a whore, she got knocked up randomly at a baseball game.”, without the implication of being whore there isn’t a joke. The joke doesn’t center around her getting pregnant it centers around her getting knocked up by A-Rod. The abstinence only stuff isn’t even a part of the equation, that’s just you bringing in your partisan political bias and inserting some nonsense that wasn’t implied. > > The joke is about her fucking A-Rod randomly at a baseball game, meaning that she’s such a whore that she can’t even go to a game without getting knocked up. Wow, it really did just sail over your head like Sputnik. Calling her a whore would not even be a joke. Do you think that all unmarried women who get pregnant are whores? If your answer is no, then you can’t say that was the point of the joke. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/freepers-make-racist-attacks-on-malia-obama-for-wearing-a-peace-sign-t-shirt/503011.md?page=9)