Don’t ask me, I think it’s balls-to-the-wall stupid, on top of being evil opportunistic securitarian preying on fear and ignorance bullshit.
Thankfully, it’s very probably just tough talk and won’t amount to any concrete measure, which would risk running into the kind of wee practical details you mention.
I didn’t say it was. All they have to do is get to a Schengen country and then they can easily re-enter France.
Spanish Roma aren’t fond of the recent Roma immigrants from Romania, seeing them as “backwards” and as “giving us all a bad name”; payos (non-Roma, in Spain) draw a clear line between “foreign Roma” and “our Roma”. Even when you see a local woman in all-black (there’s still quite a few around, and not only in the older generations), even without her opening her mouth, her whole body language is different from that of the immigrants. There are local Roma involved in the drug trade, but AFAIK the % is similar to the amount of payos sharing that boat. The local Roma drive trucks (they used to drive mule trains), work in factories, do plumbing, own stores and restaurants, sell at the street markets; their children are cared-for, as are their homes and their cars; they say things like “I want my children to be able to choose which parts of our culture to follow and which not, and I want her to be able to go to college if she wants to” (in this respect, I find them more reasonable than many payos who’ve been similarly “coming up”, and who insist that their children must go to college whether the child wants to or not). There’s small towns (including several in the Barcelona metropolitan area and around Madrid) where Roma are a majority, or close enough to look like it. The newcomers beg at traffic lights and in the door of churches, and they purposefully stink and have a reputation of drugging the babies they use as props (I have personally witnessed a couple change clothes and get into a brand-new van after they’d been begging in two different church doorsteps).
While Spanish Roma are in the process of searching for that happy area betwen “keeping our own customs” and “full integration”, the trend for the last decades has been heavily in favor of settling down and of figuring out that the best way to be able to use payo benefits is by accepting payo law; even better if you can get some of your own people into government (i.e., making the law be less paya and more for everybody). While Roma discrimination and isolationism are both acknowledged parts of Spanish history, the current trend is that It Is Not Good, to the extent that the Spanish-language version of Shakira’s Gypsy isn’t getting any airtime as far as I can tell; Spanish-only radio stations play tons of Waka-Waka but no Gypsy, while those stations that play songs in any language will play Waka-Waka in Spanish and Gypsy in English.
I am not familiar with French law, but in many of its concepts it’s closer to Spanish law than to the American and British systems. Under Spanish law, exile or expulsion are considered lesser penalties than prison; a warning delivered with a real big stick, if you wish. People who have been expulsed and are found to be in the country again face stricter penalties; those individuals referred to in the OP will, if they have half a brain, try a different country next.
Amongst other things, they beg. And not just in a passive way, like most beggars do who just sit down on the pavement. They actively approach people, sometimes holding children or babies as a prop. Edinburgh’s got a well established community of Roma now begging on many street corners (you can recognise them easily, as the women all dress the same with a head scarf and a kind of brownish long skirt). Similarly, when in Paris a few months ago, you couldn’t walk down the street or sit in a park without being bothered by them. It really became quite irritating.
Oh, yes, it can be quite a problem to the Greater Good: “On the eve of the adjudicator’s arrival, some travellers moved into Callaghan Park. Before you could say ‘gypsy scum’ we were knee-deep in dog muck, thieving kids and crusty jugglers.”
Getting into that Schengen country will surely be just as hard as getting back into France.
Watched a broadly sympathetic documentary on Marsailles Roma last year but the endemic organised criminality was breath-taking.
We’re talking Faginesque levels and above and an attitude that there was nothing wrong with doing it. The citizenry were ‘other’ and what happened to them didn’t count.
You could see why people were pissed off.
No, it won’t be. What’s being suggested is that *France * is going to try to keep these Roma out - not the other Schengen countries. The others presumably will continue to abide by EU law, which provides for freedom of travel to EU citizens.
Thus, the Roma will need only enter one of those countries - as they’re legally entitled to do - and then, thanks to Schengen, cross the open border into France.
Well, the people concerned are recent Roms (I’m refering here as the gypsie sub-group from central europe, not as the english use of the word which covers all of them) immigrants.
The longstanding population in France is made up of other subgroups (Sintis, Manouches, and in the south Gitanos). Note that from my own calculation based on estimates, about 1/3 of them still live a nomadic life, hence aren’t that integrated. Even those who aren’t fully nomadic maybe partially so, and otherwise often stayed apart from the general population or took specific occupations (for instance, it used to be common for cars junkyards to be run by gypsies).
The general idea would be that parents could be held responsible for their delinquant minor children if it was considered they didn’t properly assumed their parental duties.
This too. It apparently seems that Roms (again those from central Europe) aren’t viewed too kindly by longstanding Manouches, Sintis, etc… in France, either.
So the parent goes to jail leaving the child completely unsupervised? Good plan. 
A Staff Reporton the Roma. (Non-Dope site - IFAICT the original is no longer available in the Archives.)
Little-known fact: they are powerless against Perry Como’s version of “Arrivederci Roma,” which played thrice in succession will cause them to vanish in a puff of smoke and metallic confetti.
Yeah, my problem is I don’t really get how it helps anyone. With the loss of citizenship/banishment you’re obviously getting rid of a criminal element. By presuming guilt instead of innocence I assume the idea is to get more convictions and thus keep your streets safer by locking up all the bad people.
But punishing the parents? It just doesn’t really seem like it does anything. For kids who are acting up because they want to be noticed this seems like the ultimate way to get attention from your parents, so no real disincentive for them to not commit crimes. For kids who don’t care about their parents that much already it looks like you’re just giving them a “get out of jail free card” by letting someone else take the fall for them. I have hard time picturing that there are that many juvenile delinquents who are perfectly fine with themselves getting in trouble but would completely stop if their parents were being punished. So I have trouble seeing how this would even do anything.
Then there’s how you decide qualifies as a bad parent. Non-traditional families make this even messier. The only real reasoning I could see behind this would be if you assumed that only criminals have delinquent kids so that this is really like catching Capone for tax evasion. Everyone knows the parent(s) are guitly, but this is all we have to charge them with.
I’d love to know the details of how this would even be carried out, not just the reasoning behind it. But that seems unlikely since the whole plan seems to be:
Step 1: Punish parents for their criminal kids
Step 2: ???
Step 3: No more juvenile crime!
You’re focusing on the kid side of the equation. For excellent reasons, mind you - those are some of my hang-ups as well. But the stated point is that it would be the parents who would get scared when their kid fucks up, and henceforth presumably 1) try not to have kids they’re not ready for and 2) police them better. Which, if the guy was a bad parent to begin with, probably means the kids going to get whupped. And besides, it’s not like parents can hover around their sprog 24/7, esp. if he ditches school in which case technically it’s the State’s fault the kid is out joyriding.
But hey, like I said, details. It gets Sarkozy’s face on TV and frontpages, what more do you want, man ?!
How would they just enforce that for the Roma and not for the rest of the population, though?
I suppose it is hypocritical of me to expect a foreign politician to have thought an idea through better than my own politicians do theirs. 
If you’re talking about the father/kid thing, that would be a general measure, not restricted to Roma.
The same way that Irish immigration enforces the land border to the North for Africans and not for the rest of the population. Racial profiling.