# French translation help: L'Ombre Chinoise **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 8, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120 "2014-08-08T20:07:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/1 "2014-08-08T20:07:18Z")
This is the title of an Inspector Maigret mystery by Georges Simenon. Penguin is coming out with new English-language paperback editions of all his Maigret mysteries, and so far they have ignored previous English-language titles and have been translating the French pretty nearly exactly (as far as I can tell). For this one, the English title they have chosen is “The Shadow Puppet.” This seems quite different from the title alone (although it might be supported by the actual contents of the book, I don’t know because I haven’t read it yet). I would have guessed “The Chinese Shadow” or “Shadow of a Chinese Person”. Google Translate makes it “China’s Shadow” which I doubt is what Simenon meant. So how would you, fluent French-speaking (or at least French-reading) person, translate this title? Bonus points if you’ve read the book so you know what the title is supposed to refer to. ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/2 "2014-08-08T21:02:05Z")
I don’t recall much of the French I learned at school, but _The Shadow Puppet_ [seems to be a pretty good translation.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_play#France) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/3 "2014-08-08T21:04:42Z")
It’s a little bit like translating “Chinese jump-rope” out of English. Yes, it’s etymologically and literally “The Chinese shadow,” but it’s the way you would say “The Shadow Puppet” in French, and a perfectly straightforward translation. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/4 "2014-08-08T22:12:18Z")
It’s a play on words which doesn’t actually translate well. I expect that not only are shadow puppets involved but also opium, the other Chinese shadow. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/5 "2014-08-08T22:46:24Z")
> [@WotNot](#): > > I don’t recall much of the French I learned at school, but _The Shadow Puppet_ [seems to be a pretty good translation.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_play#France) Ah, thank you, I never would have come up with that on my own. ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/6 "2014-08-08T23:45:52Z")
I would just translate it as “The silhouette,” which is both consistent with what my French dictionary has, and with what I imagine Simenon is alluding to here. I haven’t read this particular novel, but I’ve read a fair number of the other ones, and\* ombre chinoise\* is usually used in the sense of a silhouette, particularly as seen against a window blind, from the exterior. I wish someone would pay _me_ to translate a Maigret novel. I’d be over the moon. ---
**Author:** ![MoodIndigo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@MoodIndigo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoodIndigo1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2014, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/7 "2014-08-09T04:16:44Z")
Even though Ombre chinoise sounds more poetic than Shadow Puppet, that is really what it is. Les ombres chinoises sont faites avec les mains et une source de lumière ainsi qu’un écran. So ‘‘silhouette’’ is not quite the thing. ---
**Author:** ![MoodIndigo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@MoodIndigo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoodIndigo1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/8 "2014-08-09T04:18:06Z")
I envy you, please share other tidbits with us. Once upon a time, a friend of mine was translating some of Colette’s work, and I enjoyed our little problem-solving chats. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/9 "2014-08-09T17:16:08Z")
> [@Sal\_Ammoniac](#): > > I would just translate it as “The silhouette,” which is both consistent with what my French dictionary has, and with what I imagine Simenon is alluding to here. I haven’t read this particular novel, but I’ve read a fair number of the other ones, and\* ombre chinoise\* is usually used in the sense of a silhouette, particularly as seen against a window blind, from the exterior. It’s a pity there’s no perfectly good French word for silhouette. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/10 "2014-08-09T18:18:35Z")
_very slow clap_ ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/11 "2014-08-11T02:50:41Z")
> [@MoodIndigo1](#): > > Even though Ombre chinoise sounds more poetic than Shadow Puppet, that is really what it is. Les ombres chinoises sont faites avec les mains et une source de lumière ainsi qu’un écran. So ‘‘silhouette’’ is not quite the thing. On the other hand, my dictionary gives “_silhouette_” as a synonym for “_ombre chinoise_.” If you want to argue that “silhouette” is not specific enough as a translation, I would agree; and yet, at the same time, “shadow puppets” is really over-specific. The problem is that _ombre chinoise_ is a bit of imagery that is a relatively common and readily understood in French, while “shadow puppets” is not nearly as widely used in English. A French-speaker reading the phrase “_en ombre chinoise_” would instantly form the correct mental picture, while an English-speaker, confronted with the analogous “like shadow puppets,” would likely go, “Huh? Puppets?” I would really like to get a copy of the book and see what it’s about, because we’re confronting the title in isolation here, not really knowing the relation to the plot and whatnot. (And in fact I was in Montreal this afternoon, and dutifully tried to get a copy, but of all the dozens of Simenon novels on the shelf, this was not one, alas.) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/12 "2014-08-11T17:38:31Z")
[The Wiki article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maigret) sez the book was translated into English as _The Shadow in the Courtyard_ and _Maigret Mystified_, if anyone wants to read it and offer an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/french-translation-help-lombre-chinoise/695120/13 "2014-08-11T17:47:38Z")
[Here’s](http://www.trussel.com/maig/maig.htm) a website of someone who has compiled all the different English-language versions of Maigret novels and stories, including translations of three stories that were never published in print. It doesn’t include the current series from Penguin.