# FriarTed - you fucking hypocrite **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 6, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024 "2008-12-06T18:44:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/61 "2008-12-07T00:00:29Z")
Wait, what? The OP thinks he’s a vampire? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/62 "2008-12-07T00:02:34Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I’m not especially religious. but if the requirement is that everyone offering opinions regarding desirable moral postures has to be a perfected example of those postures then almost all moral advice is hypocritical. and yet it is still vital to informing us about the appropriate way to regard our fellow men. Offered the choice of being a hypocrite or not acting when I see the need for a moral opinion or ethical action I’ll take my chances being a hypocrite. I think we’re misunderstanding each other - very probably my fault. I make moral and ethical judgements all the time, and I don’t see anything wrong with that. However I don’t back them up with a world view based on a self-contradicting ‘holy book’. And, to get back to my actual first point, I think arguing with people that do is generally a waste of time; especially by quoting lines from said “self-contradicting ‘holy book’”. ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/63 "2008-12-07T00:06:35Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Wait, what? The OP thinks he’s a vampire? 😕 Apparently so. But maybe on a metaphorical level. Others think that the son of god resurrected, or that angels dictated their holy book. What can you do? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/64 "2008-12-07T00:17:50Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > Apparently so. But maybe on a metaphorical level. > > Others think that the son of god resurrected, or that angels dictated their holy book. > > What can you do? Point and laugh at the whole lot of them? ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/65 "2008-12-07T00:20:25Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Point and laugh at the whole lot of them? My arm would get tired. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/66 "2008-12-07T00:44:54Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I am such a Christian, as are many people I know. And, based on your level of closed mindedness and your willingness to paint such a large and diverse group of people with the same brush, I have no desire to see you. Well now, that was really convincing. 😛 > [@Telcontar](#): > > You are ignorant, and the sooner you realize it the better. I do not make broad statements about atheists, gays, blacks, jews etc etc. I imagine you would take offense if I did. Given that, you should understand why I take offense at your conduct. I didn’t say that all Christians were right-wing, Fundamentalist literalists. That would be pretty easy to disprove. Duh! I said that in the end, whenever they make statements, their arguments go back to the rule book. Perhaps that’s not surprising since that’s what they’re basing their faith on. But depending on which interpretation they’re using, they generally default to using the Bible as their source for their arguments in a way that’s pretty black and white. > [@Telcontar](#): > > I stand by my initial assessment of you. And I’m sure I won’t change that. Because you’re the open-minded one, right? 😛 > [@curlcoat](#): > > Ah. Then you are willing to socialize with homophobes, but not pedeophiles? 😃 That reminds me. . . I need to get back to that thread. > [@WhyNot](#): > > He claims to be Christian, not perfect. He does strike me, most of the time, as striving towards Christlike perfection. He’s not always gonna be able to pull it off. **WhyNot** , I generally trust your judgment, but I’m a little skeptical here. You must see very different posts than I do. In almost every post I’ve seen of **FriarTed** ’s, I remember thinking to myself if he was mocking Christianity by using his username. He sounds more like _The Onion_ in most of his posts, and his post in this thread is no exception. I mean. . . who talks like that? And some, like the one linked in this thread, isn’t even close to something a Christian would say, hopefully. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/67 "2008-12-07T00:54:31Z")
All that “love your neighbor” guff may have helped Christianity rise to power, but it’s completely useless at helping it _stay_ in power so it was discarded long ago. Ted isn’t the first Christian to ignore inconvenient and outdated scripture. He’s not even the billionth. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/68 "2008-12-07T00:55:01Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Wait, what? The OP thinks he’s a vampire? 😕 Hahahaha I’d forgotten about that aspect of the OP. He’s so _deep_, you know. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/69 "2008-12-07T00:55:48Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > **WhyNot** , I generally trust your judgment, but I’m a little skeptical here. You must see very different posts than I do. > > In almost every post I’ve seen of **FriarTed** ’s, I remember thinking to myself if he was mocking Christianity by using his username. He sounds more like _The Onion_ in most of his posts, and his post in this thread is no exception. I mean. . . who talks like that? And some, like the one linked in this thread, isn’t even close to something a Christian would say, hopefully. Well…for this issue at least, I’d like to change my answer. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but his post in this thread indicates that, on this issue, he’s a dick. Fire away,\*\* illuminati’\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/70 "2008-12-07T02:08:55Z")
If it weren’t for the death penalty, Jesus would be alive today. He was tried, convicted and executed by lawful authorities and got a whole New Testament as a result. Darn good publicity for a local boy from Nazareth. The death penalty’s not all bad. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/71 "2008-12-07T02:42:41Z")
**Friar Ted** is one of the posters for whim I have a great deal of respect; and while I don’t have a whole lot of overlap with him perspective-wise, I just don’t see any sign of hypocrisy, which to me means “pretending to a set of moral standards or beliefs which one does not actually hold or believe in”. I don’t even see any major inconsistencies. No one but **Ted** gets to say what _his_ moral standards are, or what Christianity means to him. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/72 "2008-12-07T04:16:20Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Bigots with an ax to grind, like **Illuminatiprimus** , don’t seem to understand that nobody can be perfect, and that Christianity is not somehow exposed as being “wrong”, or to blame, when those who profess it fail to live up to it. I highly doubt that anyone expects Christians to be perfect, but when they go about trying to lay punishment on non-Christians who are not perfect, _that_ is hypocritical. > [@](#): > > Yea, but one of my favorite Biblical stories is from the 11th chapter of Mark. With all the images “gentle Jesus” it’s eye opening to see him going all big and bad!😛 > > _On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry. 13Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see whether perhaps he would find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. 14He said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it. > 15Then they came to Jerusalem. And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who were selling and those who were buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves; 16and he would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple. 17He was teaching and saying, “Is it not written, > ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? > But you have made it a den of robbers.”_ > > No drowning, but definitely some bashing!😃 This is probably why Christians have so much trouble getting the rest of us to believe they only want good in the world, when they are revering a man who got petty with a fig tree and destroyed others’ property in a fit of tantrum. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/73 "2008-12-07T04:59:00Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I highly doubt that anyone expects Christians to be perfect, but when they go about trying to lay punishment on non-Christians who are not perfect, _that_ is hypocritical. Err, reread that sentence. Are you saying that non-perfect people should never lay punishment on anyone? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/74 "2008-12-07T05:13:29Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Well…for this issue at least, I’d like to change my answer. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but his post in this thread indicates that, on this issue, he’s a dick. Fire away,\*\* illuminati’\*\*. OK, I know this is personally relevant to you & I can respect your disagreement with my belief in capital punishment for child molesters. I still believe it to be a permitted & perhaps Divinely-encouraged penalty but YMMV. So if I’m a dick on this, make the most of it. Btw, for the purpose of clarity, in the New Covenant, the death penalty is only permitted for actual violent crimes & perhaps truly twisted sexual practices (bestiality & necrophilia come to mind). Bringing up Levitical taboos & covenantal violations that were capital crimes in the OT is irrelevant. If such taboos & violations are relevant to in the NT era, the strongest penalty is excommunication. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/75 "2008-12-07T06:33:42Z")
Maybe **IlluminatiPrimus** is a pedophile and doesn’t like you dissin on his people’s. 😉 Do they have a saying in your community? There’s no blood like the young blood? Maybe you guys should just kiss and make up, you have something in common, you both belong to a cult of blood drinkers. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/76 "2008-12-07T08:58:54Z")
Oh the Vampirism jokes - because those never get tired. As I said anything I think or say comes from me, not the religious system I subscribe to - I don’t need someone else to think for me. I also find it interesting that people latch onto that aspect of me and then proceed to dismiss me as a result (rather than on what I have have said or done) whereas they’re willing to jump to the aid of a Christian despite what they have said. No double standards there, nope, not at all. Anywho… I find it somewhat laughable that people here think Christianity should get a free pass for its overwhelming hypocrisy and/or that people who identify as Christians can’t be held in any way responsible for the contradiction of their beliefs with their own words/actions. I’d have less of a problem with Christianity and its adherents if it weren’t so loudly declaiming other people and trying to tell other people how to live their lives, often through political (and sometimes physical) force. If Christians said “Well in my view paedophilia is an abomination unto God and I harbour feelings of violence towards them, but it’s not my place to judge and after all that’s what the courts are there for” then I’d have no problem, just as if they said “Well in my view homosexuality is wrong but I wouldn’t want to be forced to live according to someone else’s belief system so I won’t try and make others live according to mine” but as we know that isn’t the case either (cough prop 8 cough). Again, I’m not a hypocrite, there is no contradiction between my beliefs (religious or otherwise) and what I have said here or anywhere else on this message board. Keep throwing that charge against me if you think it fits but unless you’ve got something to substantiate that with I’m not going to take such a charge seriously. As for calling me a bigot, defined as “a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.” - well that shoe doesn’t fit either. I’ve been on this board nearly three years and have yet to pit someone based on their religion, and in fact I tend to keep my thoughts on religion to myself unlike some other posters. If I were utterly intolerant of it that wouldn’t be the case, and I am not in fact utterly intolerant of Christians as a group as I’ve known plenty of people who I like and respect who identify as Christian. But then they weren’t the kind of Christian to claim the moral high ground simply because of their religion, dictate to others how to live or (indeed) advocate violence against others. That’s probably why I liked them. Oh who am I kidding - yes I’m a paedophile and this is all a big smokescreen. Don’t know why I didn’t admit that before. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/77 "2008-12-07T09:09:47Z")
There’s no bigger atheist around here than me, and I’m totally on **Ted’s** side with this one. He’s a Christian, not Christ, and I haven’t seen him being preachy or moralistic as a general rule. Anyway, if you’re going to break the rules and judge somebody, it might as well be pedophiles. And since I’m not a Christian – I judge pedophiles to be the scum of the earth and well deserving of a bash on the head. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/78 "2008-12-07T09:29:34Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There’s no bigger atheist around here than me, and I’m totally on **Ted’s** side with this one. He’s a Christian, not Christ, and I haven’t seen him being preachy or moralistic as a general rule. Anyway, if you’re going to break the rules and judge somebody, it might as well be pedophiles. > > And since I’m not a Christian – I judge pedophiles to be the scum of the earth and well deserving of a bash on the head. _faints_ _recovers to say_ Thanks! _faints again_ ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/79 "2008-12-07T10:14:31Z")
Wow - when **Dio** weighs in on your side you know you’re in the right. Am I being sarcastic, am I not? Who can say? ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/80 "2008-12-07T11:36:34Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > And since I’m not a Christian – I judge pedophiles to be the scum of the earth and well deserving of a bash on the head. What about child mutilators? Oppressive dictators? Genocide practitioners? Cat lovers? People who cough at the theatre? I mean, since your judging, why stop? Perhaps you can draw us up a sliding scale of evil acts and the amount of physical punishment each one deserves. I’d appreciate it as, personally, I never know when to stop beating on someone of low moral standards. Is is judged on a certain amount of blood? Or do I take permanent injury into account? Thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024.md?page=5)