# FriarTed - you fucking hypocrite **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 6, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024 "2008-12-06T18:44:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/81 "2008-12-07T12:40:46Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > Oh the Vampirism jokes - because those never get tired. As I said anything I think or say comes from me, not the religious system I subscribe to - I don’t need someone else to think for me. Sorry, I’m a little unclear on this whole vampirism thing - I’d really appreciate some facts. And what good is a religious system that doesn’t influence how you speak or act? Sound like a rather cheap system of rewarding yourself with warm fuzzies about your cosmic significance without imposing any inconvenient standards in return. That’s one reason why I don’t believe in the tooth fairy - it’s just too childish to bother with. > [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > Wow - when Dio weighs in on your side you know you’re in the right. > > Am I being sarcastic, am I not? Who can say? Eh, I can definitely say you’re falling back on _res ispsa loquitur_ and guess that you find it easier than responding to Dio with a counter-argument. I don’t blame you, mind - I myself find it easier to loftily ignore a challenge than get my ass kicked, and I speak as one who disagrees with Dio on maybe 80% of meaningful topics. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/82 "2008-12-07T13:16:06Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > And what good is a religious system that doesn’t influence how you speak or act? I’d say that the only thing a religious belief has to do is be correct. Letting it influence your actions can wait until you get that first step right. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/83 "2008-12-07T14:02:33Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Sorry, I’m a little unclear on this whole vampirism thing - I’d really appreciate some facts. [Here you go](http://www.vampiretemple.com/index.html) > [@](#): > > And what good is a religious system that doesn’t influence how you speak or act? Sound like a rather cheap system of rewarding yourself with warm fuzzies about your cosmic significance without imposing any inconvenient standards in return. So you don’t know what it is you’re deriding but you’ll do it anyway? Hmmmm… > [@](#): > > Eh, I can definitely say you’re falling back on _res ispsa loquitur_ and guess that you find it easier than responding to Dio with a counter-argument. What’s to argue with? That there are bigger atheists around than **Dio**? That he doesn’t mean what he’s saying? That the rules deserve to be broken in the case of paedophiles? He didn’t present any arguments, he just made statements. > [@](#): > > I don’t blame you, mind - I myself find it easier to loftily ignore a challenge than get my ass kicked, and I speak as one who disagrees with Dio on maybe 80% of meaningful topics. 🙂 You think **Dio** post constituted kicking my ass? How so? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/84 "2008-12-07T16:49:36Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > [Here you go](http://www.vampiretemple.com/index.html) Oh, OK. So it’s not about people who actually believe that they don’t show up in a mirror, spontaneously combust in sunlight, are burned by holy water and recoil from crosses, it’s just a “we’re incredibly special” club. Nothing unusual about that on teh intarwebs, and it’s consistent with your username at least. > [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > So you don’t know what it is you’re deriding but you’ll do it anyway? Hmmmm… Well, deride in a fairly limited sort of way until I know what it is we’re talking about. Further derision may be possible as future evidence becomes available. It may include pointing and laughing. > [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > What’s to argue with? That there are bigger atheists around than **Dio**? That he doesn’t mean what he’s saying? That the rules deserve to be broken in the case of paedophiles? He didn’t present any arguments, he just made statements. Yep, so what you do is, you make counter-statements, and you see where you end up after a few exchanges. Or else you say oh-so-sarcastically “Oh well, if Dio agrees, you must be right” as though you’d already won the argument. > [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > You think **Dio** post constituted kicking my ass? How so? No, I think he would kick your ass if you attempted to engage him in argument, and you may be smart enough to realize this. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/85 "2008-12-07T19:36:37Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > I’d have less of a problem with Christianity and its adherents if it weren’t so loudly declaiming other people and trying to tell other people how to live their lives, often through political (and sometimes physical) force. If Christians said “Well in my view paedophilia is an abomination unto God and I harbour feelings of violence towards them, but it’s not my place to judge and after all that’s what the courts are there for” then I’d have no problem, just as if they said “Well in my view homosexuality is wrong but I wouldn’t want to be forced to live according to someone else’s belief system so I won’t try and make others live according to mine” but as we know that isn’t the case either (cough prop 8 cough). What the fuck? Last time I checked, homosexuals, for the most part, are consenting adults. Pedophiles aren’t interested in consenting adults. So somehow, it’s unChristian to be human, and want to hurt those who hurt others? TRULY hurt others? (BTW, your little Vampire Temple is a hoot!) ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/86 "2008-12-07T22:00:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So somehow, it’s unChristian to be human, and want to hurt those who hurt others? TRULY hurt others? Read what I said - want to hurt, no problem. Advocate hurting/actually doing it, not so good. Leave that to the justice system. Advocate hurting others whilst wearing very visibly on your sleeve association with a religion that (in its own schizoid way) proclaims to be a religion of forgiveness and a path of redemption? Even less good. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? **Malacandra** - maybe I don’t want to trade statements with people because I don’t think that constitutes an argument. By all means keep claiming that I’m afraid to debate with **Dio** , or that I’m incapable of doing so/otherwise generally intellectually inferior. And by all means, point and laugh all you wish. 🙂 Oh, and **Grumman** , would you care to tell us all which is the right religion as you seem to think you know? (I’m assuming you think mine isn’t.) ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/87 "2008-12-07T22:03:48Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > Oh, and **Grumman** , would you care to tell us all which is the right religion as you seem to think you know? (I’m assuming you think mine isn’t.) As anyone who regularly watches South Park would know, the ones who chose the correct religion are the Mormans. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/88 "2008-12-07T22:32:10Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I stand by my initial assessment of you. So you can _assess_, as long as you don’t _judge_. Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/89 "2008-12-07T22:38:41Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > As anyone who regularly watches South Park would know, the ones who chose the correct religion are the Mormans. Oh jeeez, can’t I just go to hell instead? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/90 "2008-12-07T23:01:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So somehow, it’s unChristian to be human, and want to hurt those who hurt others? TRULY hurt others? I’ll admit I’m no expert on the teachings of Christ, but it would surprise me if the man who taught his followers to turn the other cheek would support wanting to hurt anybody. Not that I would expect any human to not have those thoughts, but it’s most certainly unchristian. Unless of course there’s some quote from Christ supporting that that I’m unaware of, which is quite possible. I didn’t know about him wanting to put disobedient children to death until recently. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/91 "2008-12-08T01:37:13Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Err, reread that sentence. Are you saying that non-perfect people should never lay punishment on anyone? I’m saying that folks that claim to be perfect and aren’t shouldn’t be going about bitching at me because I’m not perfect (in their eyes) either. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/92 "2008-12-08T01:39:29Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > What about child mutilators? > > Oppressive dictators? > > Genocide practitioners? > > Cat lovers? > > People who cough at the theatre? > > I mean, since your judging, why stop? Perhaps you can draw us up a sliding scale of evil acts and the amount of physical punishment each one deserves. I’d appreciate it as, personally, I never know when to stop beating on someone of low moral standards. Is is judged on a certain amount of blood? Or do I take permanent injury into account? > > Thanks. And of course, none of those could ever change either, right? Or - gasp - be wrongly accused? \ ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/93 "2008-12-08T03:59:33Z")
[QUOTE=John 8:7] But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. [/QUOTE] Nobody ever tells the rest of the story. All the people with shamed faces set down their stones, except for one old woman who hurled a half kilogram of rock at the woman’s head, killing her instantly. Jesus turned to the woman and said “Mom, I was trying to make a point.” ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/94 "2008-12-08T04:14:19Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > Oh, and **Grumman** , would you care to tell us all which is the right religion as you seem to think you know? (I’m assuming you think mine isn’t.) I’m an atheist, and will remain so until the existence of the supernatural is supported with credible evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/95 "2008-12-08T07:20:25Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > And of course, none of those could ever change either, right? Or - gasp - be wrongly accused? > > \ I’m having a hard time understanding your point, but I think you’ve entirely missed mine. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/96 "2008-12-08T07:47:54Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > I’m having a hard time understanding your point, but I think you’ve entirely missed mine. I think I’m agreeing with you, that if Christians think it’s OK to kill or at least completely shun pedeophiles, why not dictators & cat lovers? And I add that it is possible that pedeophiles, dictators and cat lovers can reform and conform, which I’d think that Christians would want to work towards. OTOH, I don’t really believe any of that about Christians, hence the \ ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/97 "2008-12-08T08:04:23Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I think I’m agreeing with you Well that’s alright then! I couldn’t quite grasp who your sarcasm was aimed at, but I’ve had me coffee now. Please carry on. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/98 "2008-12-08T08:21:13Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > Well that’s alright then! > > I couldn’t quite grasp who your sarcasm was aimed at, but I’ve had me coffee now. Please carry on. 🙂 I may have posted that one while drinking wine and therefore not been as clear as I could have been. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/99 "2008-12-08T10:15:16Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > I’m an atheist, and will remain so until the existence of the supernatural is supported with credible evidence. I’m an atheist too - so what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024/100 "2008-12-08T17:05:59Z")
Perhaps that only on the SDMB can a Satanist vampire attempt to claim the moral high ground over a condemnation of a pedophile. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friarted-you-fucking-hypocrite/476024.md?page=6)