# Friendly Advice for Drunky **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618 "2019-12-09T21:18:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/61 "2019-12-10T11:40:39Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > No, he just pitted him. Everything else is just waffle. _How_ you pit someone says as much about you as pitting them does. There’s no “just”. > [@](#): > > I know you are all moving through the list one by one :rolleyes: Looks like we have another conspiracy theorist here. Maybe it’s catching. **octopus** gets grief because he’s a piece of shit, not because he’s on some list. He’s always been a piece of shit, and a cowardly hypocrite who bemoans the pit while wallowing in it more than most anyone. None of this reaction is new. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/62 "2019-12-10T13:32:29Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Funny thing. I actually just went through that thread and was surprised that the post **Drunky** responded to didn’t seem to be trolling. It seemed more like he was upset about something else at best. > > But then **octopus** had to go and make this thread. And guess what? **YOU JUST FUCKING MADE IT CLEAR YOU WERE TROLLING.** You’re here pretending to give “advice” while actually attacking someone. That’s trolling. You know he just got suspended, and you’re deliberately trying to piss him off even more. Trying to piss people off is trolling. Plus you claim that the Pit should exist because people shouldn’t be so mean, so, when you use it to insult people, you are hypocritical and thus trolling. > > Another funny thing: I don’t like **Drunky** all that much, and honestly was not too upset that he got 30 days. But now that I see that you are deliberately trying to piss him off, and the he didn’t get in trouble for any of the actual shitty stuff he does, I find myself sympathizing with him, and thinking the mods need to once again pay attention to which posters actually CAUSE the problems instead of going after the poster who breaks first. > > Your post actually got me, someone who has **Drunky** on ignore because I think he’s such a bad poster, to be sympathetic to him, and to actually support what he said about wanting you banned. Congrats, **octopus**. > [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > That’s because you and your fellow racists, misogynists and right wing trolls are so predictable. As you promptly demonstrate with your misogynistic commentary. You cannot imagine how utterly sick I am of your shtick (especially your childish complaints about the Pit and it’s “potty language” while PERMANENTLY posting in the Pit :smack:). You’re by far the vilest hypocrite on this board. > [@MrDibble](#): > > _How_ you pit someone says as much about you as pitting them does. There’s no “just”. > > :rolleyes: Looks like we have another conspiracy theorist here. Maybe it’s catching. > > **octopus** gets grief because he’s a piece of shit, not because he’s on some list. He’s always been a piece of shit, and a cowardly hypocrite who bemoans the pit while wallowing in it more than most anyone. None of this reaction is new. Ok boomers! I’d run out of Woke Buzzword Bingo Stamps if I were to break them out again for this thread just on those 3 posts. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/63 "2019-12-10T13:45:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Ok boomers! Oh, that’s just so cringeworthy. Don’t try being funny, and _especially_ don’t try using catchphrases you have no idea how to properly apply. It makes you look even more pathetic than the pottymouth shtick did. And I didn’t think that was possible. But at least TIL “piece of shit” is a Woke Buzzword :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/64 "2019-12-10T14:10:37Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > No, he just pitted him. Everything else is just waffle. Drunk Smurf called him out in ATMB, Octopus pitted him and that is the story in a nutshell. No. Details always matter. Ignoring them leads to bad conclusions. **octopus** is a poster who argues that the Pit should not exist, and that everyone who uses it is a horrible person. So, first off, he is a hypocrite for Pitting someone. He also pitted the guy after he had been suspended. It’s long been held that it’s not fair to pit someone when they can’t reply back. So, despite whining about uncivil the Pit is, he’s now being even more uncivil than most pit posters. Finally, how **Drunky Smurf** attacked him is relevant. He called him a troll. The last thing you want to do when being accused of being a troll is to make disingenuous posts like this Pit thread. It even has a disingenuous title and tone. Most posters don’t particularly like **Drunky Smurf** or **octopus**. And **Drunky** ’s response doesn’t seem to fit what **octopus** actually said. That people wind up on **Drunky** ’s side shows just how awful his pit thread is. upon preview: He’s even saying “ok boomers”–a lefty taunt. Why would a right winger use it–other than the fact that he knows that some posters admitted that it pissed them off? He _is_ a troll. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/65 "2019-12-10T15:45:16Z")
Silence! Imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/66 "2019-12-10T16:24:30Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > So \*\*Drunky \*\*got upset about things that a lot of posters are upset about, and your response is to come here and start this? He’s right: fuck you. Yeah. Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/67 "2019-12-10T16:28:18Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Honestly, I’d rather have a hundred Drunkies who post some shit occasionally than a single Octopus who posts a single fuck-arsed post, evah. > > Dude, you and your brethren have dragged The Dope down into the shitter in the last few years. If you think that’s something to be proud of, then keep up the good fight hero. Won’t be long before you’re treading shit in the cesspool that remains of your humanity. > > Again, fuck off troll. Damn right. Drunky doesn’t have the same level of toxicity. There is a big difference between a harmless clown and a narcissistic raging asshole. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/68 "2019-12-10T16:32:10Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > _How_ you pit someone says as much about you as pitting them does. There’s no “just”. > > :rolleyes: Looks like we have another conspiracy theorist here. Maybe it’s catching. > > **octopus** gets grief because he’s a piece of shit, not because he’s on some list. He’s always been a piece of shit, and a cowardly hypocrite who bemoans the pit while wallowing in it more than most anyone. None of this reaction is new. That’s a very good summation. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/69 "2019-12-10T18:15:18Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Well, you just aren’t very bright are you? You’ve heard of something called cause and effect? Action/reaction? Put your little mind to use and figure out what posts are causes and what posts are effects. > > When I _respond_ to folks and their elementary school insults that’s an effect… > > Now, I know you think you are witty and are demonstrating masterful wordplay. You’re not. It’s amateur and sort of boring. So, please, if you aren’t here to help at least be somewhat creative. Heh, I really _have_ triggered you, haven’t I? Simply by being smarter than you, calmer than you, and (let’s be frank) better looking. (And yeah - you’re never going to convince me that I’m dumb, because I actually know who I am and what I do for a living. You’re also never going to convince anybody else that I’m dumb, because they can read. So good luck with that doomed tactic.) You can cry cause and effect, but your posts are all still here. The thread’s not even that long. It’s painfully clear what’s going on here: You started this thread to gloat about getting somebody suspended, and then when people didn’t immediately heap praise upon you you instantly started slinging insults out of nowhere, in a rather weak attempt at trolling. Seriously - if you’re going to troll, up your trolling game. Good trolls try to incite people to angry emotional responses while staying calm themselves - not just inwardly calm (which you’re not), but also outwardly calm (which you’re not). They post provocative opinions while pretending to take them seriously, and while ignoring counterarguments and sealioning and all the other tricks that trolls use to try to make other people angry. A troll “wins” when it takes over a thread with angry responses while maintaining the veneer of being the adult in the room. You don’t have the chops to pull this off, sadly. I mean, yes, you sealion and such, but the minute people smarter and calmer than you come in and point out that you’re a weaksauce troll baby, you lose your shit and turn into an underdeveloped preteen, slinging insults at the drop of a hat. Real trolls don’t have to resort to that - and they _don’t_ resort to that, because they have the emotional control to stand outside the situation. That’s the whole point - they’re the aloof puppetmaster. You, on the other hand, are just a sad, angry little man. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/70 "2019-12-10T18:44:18Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Heh, I really _have_ triggered you, haven’t I? Simply by being smarter than you, calmer than you, and (let’s be frank) better looking. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/71 "2019-12-10T18:47:41Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Heh, I really _have_ triggered you, haven’t I? Simply by being smarter than you, calmer than you, and (let’s be frank) better looking. You forgot more modest. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/72 "2019-12-10T19:02:57Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Seriously - if you’re going to troll, up your trolling game. Troll up! Troll up! Troll up! See the mutant eight-armed sealion blowing his own horn! ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/73 "2019-12-10T19:03:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You forgot more modest. 😃 I considered mentioning that, but I didn’t want to brag. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/74 "2019-12-10T19:07:05Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Heh, I really _have_ triggered you, haven’t I? Simply by being smarter than you, calmer than you, and (let’s be frank) better looking. > > (And yeah - you’re never going to convince me that I’m dumb, because I actually know who I am and what I do for a living. You’re also never going to convince anybody else that I’m dumb, because they can read. So good luck with that doomed tactic.) > > You can cry cause and effect, but your posts are all still here. The thread’s not even that long. It’s painfully clear what’s going on here: You started this thread to gloat about getting somebody suspended, and then when people didn’t immediately heap praise upon you you instantly started slinging insults out of nowhere, in a rather weak attempt at trolling. > > Seriously - if you’re going to troll, up your trolling game. Good trolls try to incite people to angry emotional responses while staying calm themselves - not just inwardly calm (which you’re not), but also outwardly calm (which you’re not). They post provocative opinions while pretending to take them seriously, and while ignoring counterarguments and sealioning and all the other tricks that trolls use to try to make other people angry. A troll “wins” when it takes over a thread with angry responses while maintaining the veneer of being the adult in the room. > > You don’t have the chops to pull this off, sadly. I mean, yes, you sealion and such, but the minute people smarter and calmer than you come in and point out that you’re a weaksauce troll baby, you lose your shit and turn into an underdeveloped preteen, slinging insults at the drop of a hat. > > Real trolls don’t have to resort to that - and they _don’t_ resort to that, because they have the emotional control to stand outside the situation. That’s the whole point - they’re the aloof puppetmaster. > > You, on the other hand, are just a sad, angry little man. Damn, man. Just damn. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/75 "2019-12-10T19:32:55Z")
Don’t be a sadopus Octopus, I’m sure there’s someone here that like you! Also, fuck and buzz. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/76 "2019-12-10T20:10:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No. Details always matter. Ignoring them leads to bad conclusions. > > **octopus** is a poster who argues that the Pit should not exist, and that everyone who uses it is a horrible person. So, first off, he is a hypocrite for Pitting someone. > > He also pitted the guy after he had been suspended. It’s long been held that it’s not fair to pit someone when they can’t reply back. So, despite whining about uncivil the Pit is, he’s now being even more uncivil than most pit posters. > > Finally, how **Drunky Smurf** attacked him is relevant. He called him a troll. The last thing you want to do when being accused of being a troll is to make disingenuous posts like this Pit thread. It even has a disingenuous title and tone. > > Most posters don’t particularly like **Drunky Smurf** or **octopus**. And **Drunky** ’s response doesn’t seem to fit what **octopus** actually said. That people wind up on **Drunky** ’s side shows just how awful his pit thread is. > > upon preview: He’s even saying “ok boomers”–a lefty taunt. Why would a right winger use it–other than the fact that he knows that some posters admitted that it pissed them off? He _is_ a troll. Ok boomer. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/77 "2019-12-10T20:20:38Z")
It’s like a defective ELIZA program. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/78 "2019-12-10T20:28:14Z")
And look I know the pit isn’t going to convince anyone of anything that they don’t already think anymore than arguing a point in great debates, elections, ATMB, or even PM. Just saying. That’s why the thread is called friendly advice. If Drunky follows it in the future he won’t get warned or suspended for his behavior. However, he probably won’t. Because he like so many others here want special rules for special posters. They want to debate in great debates as long as it’s ideologically pure. They want to insult and make up lies about others in the pit while being insulated from appropriate feedback. Well, that’s not now this place works yet. BigT, is a perfect example of this mindset. Using the appropriate forum appropriately has to be trolling in his little mind for unfathomable reasons. Also in BigT’s world it seems like the so-called righteous are devoid of all agency and respond like one of Pavlov’s dogs to stimulation in a preprogrammed fashion. While, the so-called wicked are coldly calculating Machiavellian sociopaths who deviously employ said stimulation to trick the righteous into sin and punishment. BigT, conservatives are not Lucifer or the devils :eek: and you and your fellow ideologically aligned hive are surely not angels. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/79 "2019-12-10T21:35:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And look I know the pit isn’t going to convince anyone of anything that they don’t already think anymore than arguing a point in great debates, elections, ATMB, or even PM. Just saying. > > That’s why the thread is called friendly advice. If Drunky follows it in the future he won’t get warned or suspended for his behavior. However, he probably won’t. Because he like so many others here want special rules for special posters. > > They want to debate in great debates as long as it’s ideologically pure. They want to insult and make up lies about others in the pit while being insulated from appropriate feedback. Well, that’s not now this place works yet. > > BigT, is a perfect example of this mindset. Using the appropriate forum appropriately has to be trolling in his little mind for unfathomable reasons. > > Also in BigT’s world it seems like the so-called righteous are devoid of all agency and respond like one of Pavlov’s dogs to stimulation in a preprogrammed fashion. While, the so-called wicked are coldly calculating Machiavellian sociopaths who deviously employ said stimulation to trick the righteous into sin and punishment. BigT, conservatives are not Lucifer or the devils :eek: and you and your fellow ideologically aligned hive are surely not angels. **BigT** wasn’t calling out right wingers. He was criticizing _you_. Defective ELIZA program is right; almost none of this gibberish has any relation to anything anyone has said. About the only part that has any precedent in this thread is your lie that this thread was meant to be friendly advice, when it clearly was not. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618/80 "2019-12-10T21:46:17Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > **BigT** wasn’t calling out right wingers. He was criticizing _you_. > > Defective ELIZA program is right; almost none of this gibberish has any relation to anything anyone has said. About the only part that has any precedent in this thread is your lie that this thread was meant to be friendly advice, when it clearly was not. What is an Eliza program? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friendly-advice-for-drunky/844618.md?page=5)