# Friends, Romans, Latin-reading Dopers ... **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [March 2, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828 "2013-03-02T15:44:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/1 "2013-03-02T15:44:41Z")
How might one translate the phrase “Everything’s coming up …” into Latin? As in, “Everything’s coming up roses,” or “Everything’s coming up sausages,” say. I’m thinking OMNIA EST PROVENTI ROSAE (or FARCIMINIS) - but I could be wrong. Graciae! ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/2 "2013-03-02T16:30:51Z")
_Omnia_ is plural, and _prōventus_ is fourth declension, so your suggestion is ungrammatical. I’m not familiar with the latter word but it does look like a good fit. Is there a reason you want the participle rather than the simple verb? I have two suggestions: _Qualiter rosās prōveniunt omnia_. _Rosīs prōveniunt omnia_. I think that of these two, the first one is better, but I’m ignorant of the usage of _qualiter_ and I’ll leave it to those with better Latin to improve upon my suggestions here. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/3 "2013-03-02T16:43:55Z")
This is hardly surprising; all my suggestions are highly ungrammatical, as my wife will attest. I am completely ignorant about Latin cases and declensions. I can see why the simple verb would be best: “is coming” - in my head I was breaking it down as “state of being” + “coming up,” as a prepositional phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/4 "2013-03-03T03:19:58Z")
There are a lot of options for “coming up”: Behold, from Döderlein’s Hand-book of Latin Synonymes: > [@](#): > > **Accidere; Ēvenīre; Contigere [sīc]; Obvenīre; Obtingere.** _Accidere_ and \*ēvenīre \*denote both 3 favorable and unfavorable occurrences; but the _accidentia_, unexpected ones, overtaking us by surprise; the \*ēvenientia \*were expected, foreseen; _contingere_, _obvenīre_, _obtingere_, are generally confined to fortunate occurrences. The \*accidentia \*are fortuitous, the \*ēvenientia \*result from foregoing acts or circumstances; the \*contingentia \*are the favors of Fortune; the \*obtingentia \*and \*obvenientia \*are the things that fall to one’s lot. Cic. Fam. vi. 21. _Timēbam, nē evenīrent, quæ accidērunt_: the word \*ēvenīrent \*has a subjective reference to his foresight, the word \*accidērunt \*is entirely objective; the point of view taken by it being that of those who now manifest surprise. See also Tac. H. iv. 19, and Sen. Ep. 119. _Sciēs plūra mala contingere nōbīs quam accidere_. (v. 339.) That doesn’t completely resolve the ambiguity, but I take it that it’s something like this, based on the nature of the compounds: _Accidere_ - to happen unexpectedly _Ēvenīre_ - to result from something (ēventus, magister stultōrum) _Contingere_ - to happen as if things are coming together _Obvenīre_ - to happen as if it ran up and got in your way _Obtingere_ - to happen as if it ran up and touched you This entry does not mention _succēdere_, which is what I would probably use here. The metaphorical meaning is kind of the opposite of ‘coming up’ – to fall out from – but in usage it takes the same role – to occur as if produced out of something. _Ut rōsae succēdunt omnia._ ---
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/5 "2013-03-03T06:01:44Z")
The phrase ‘coming up’ in this context is idiomatic. For a proper translation, start with: All-things are becoming (roses). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/6 "2013-03-03T07:35:38Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > The phrase ‘coming up’ in this context is idiomatic. For a proper translation, start with: All-things are becoming (roses). Right, but Latin has a number of words that are pretty fair ballpark matches for the idiom, as I discussed above. _Fierī_, the basic word for ‘to become’ can also do the trick elegantly: _Omnia fiunt rōsae_ …but you don’t need to trot it out on the grounds that the idiom is not matched by anything in Latin. But if you want to move away from the most direct translation, why not get poetic: _Praebent omnia rōsās_ - all things are presenting roses _Parītae undique rōsae_ - roses are birthed from every direction ---
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/7 "2013-03-03T08:55:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > …but you don’t need to trot it out on the grounds that the idiom is not matched by anything in Latin. But if you want to move away from the most direct translation, why not get poetic: > > _Praebent omnia rōsās_ - all things are presenting roses > _Parītae undique rōsae_ - roses are birthed from every direction How do you say in Latin: “All things are puking roses”? ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/8 "2013-03-03T13:27:19Z")
> [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > … I am completely ignorant about Latin cases and declensions… Aside from that, your Latin is great. 😛 I’m like that in spoken German. God save me if when I read the writer is fucking around with the grammar. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/9 "2013-03-03T16:32:13Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > How do you say in Latin: “All things are puking roses”? _Omnia rōsās ēvomunt._ ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/friends-romans-latin-reading-dopers/651828/10 "2013-03-03T21:11:11Z")
Thanks to everyone who replied! My latest co-venture now has a shiny new Latin motto, thanks to your enormous brains. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: God, I love this place!