# Fringe 5/11 Brave New World Pt 2 (Season Finale, Spoilers) \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672 "2012-05-12T06:09:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/1 "2012-05-12T06:09:04Z")
For a season finale I expected a little more. Killing Olivia but then having the healing effects of the Cortexiphan heal her, and having the bullet take away her powers all seemed too cliche, lazy, and annoying. I will give the episode this though, when Jessica Holt was reanimated, and her eyes were going all different directions and she was reciting nursery rhymes and so on, that was pretty damn creepy. So, William Bell rang the bell and disappeared. Was he a some sort of ghost? That made no sense. Hopefully they’ll explain that, and where he got the info on how to trap September. And finally, at the very end, as for who’s coming, we all know, but from a [link](http://screencrush.com/fringe-season-5-leonard-nimoy/) I posted in the previous Fringe thread season five won’t completely deal with the Observer invasion. > [@Screencrush](#): > > Additionally, despite “Letters of Transit” and Bell’s (CGI) appearance in the episode, the future-centric Observer-controlled world won’t completely dominate the remaining 15 episodes, as Wyman says “That future is important to our storytelling, but it’s the not the be all and end all.” Also, about Nimoy, > [@Screencrush](#): > > Fellow ‘Fringe’ show-runner Jeff Pinkner adds: > > ``` > “We basically erected a sign outside of Leonard’s house that says, ‘Please come back to Fringe,’ and we are hoping that by Season 5 he says yes.” > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![D-bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@D-bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D-bear)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/2 "2012-05-12T06:26:16Z")
I watched the last two episodes back to back tonight. I tried to view them as if they were a series finale, as they were filmed prior to the season 5 pick-up. The writers had to wrap it all up as satisfyingly as they could. If it had been the end, I think that I’d have appreciated the solution. The killing and subsequent resurrection of Olivia seemed a bit too easy, but not so much that I threw a shoe at the television. Her facial expression and the way she hesitated before she told Peter she was pregnant seemed odd. Like she wasn’t sure if she should tell him or not… The PB&J on Toast scene felt tacked on to set things up for next year. Kind of like, “well, we got another year, we need to film a quick teaser…” Hopefully we’ll get more of Molly Dodd next year. All in all it was good enough, but not incredible… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/3 "2012-05-12T06:28:09Z")
I enjoyed this finale. Afterward, I thought there were quite a few thinly-veiled D&D “spells” that happened. Can you name them? Here’s my list: Cure Serious Wounds Hold Person Magic Missile Haste Greater Magic Weapon Time Stop Remove Paralysis Speak With Dead Mirage Arcana / Hallucinatory Terrain Find the Path / Locate Creature Overland Flight Genesis Control Winds / Storm of Vengeance True Seeing Plane Shift Gate / Dimension Door Raise Dead from this page: [SRD:Spells - D&D Wiki](http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Spells) ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/4 "2012-05-12T06:32:05Z")
I was wondering if they were going to say that Oliva had amnesia and was so glad when they didn’t. Uhm, and who’s Molly Dodd? IMDB says it’s a character that Blair Brown (Nina on Fringe) played. Is that who you mean? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/5 "2012-05-12T12:03:53Z")
[The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N301QFLAUhY) has one of my favourite ever theme songs. That was a strangely unsatisfying episode. It gave no real answers, thrilling reveals, or edge of your seat drama. It was predictable and ordinary. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/6 "2012-05-12T15:11:12Z")
I agree it was a pretty ‘meh’ wrap-up to the story arc. Everything was too easy. Personified to me by Olivia’s ability to easily travel between universes while falling through the air with Peter in tow. If this had been the series finale, it would have been even more of a disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/7 "2012-05-12T15:46:24Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > So, William Bell rang the bell and disappeared. Was he a some sort of ghost? That made no sense. Hopefully they’ll explain that, and where he got the info on how to trap September. I’m pretty sure he went to the other universe. I remember he used the bell to send Olivia back to our universe the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/8 "2012-05-12T17:55:37Z")
I guess I’m kinda in the minority. I really liked it. Cortexiphan has always had “Whatever the writer needs” power, so the fast-healing didn’t seem like a cheat. The “jump between universes” thing was her only power for the first few seasons (other than the “turn off the lights in the box” power) so that didn’t feel like a cheat to me. “Using up” the cortexiphan seemed weak to me, but it had to be done to get rid of her super-powers and like Nobody, I was unhappily expecting brain-damage or amnesia and was _very_ glad they didn’t go that route. I agree that the PB&J scene seemed tacked on, but it wasn’t bad. ---
**Author:** ![D-bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@D-bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D-bear)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/9 "2012-05-12T18:16:15Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=651519](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=651519) ---
**Author:** ![D-bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@D-bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D-bear)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/10 "2012-05-12T18:18:30Z")
Yeah. Molly Dodd = Nina. Blair Brown will always be Molly Dodd to me, no matter what she is in. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/11 "2012-05-12T18:19:13Z")
I was also expecting amnesia. And with the face that Olivia made before she said she was pregnant, I was expecting “I have terminal cancer.” When Walter showed the self-healing pie (I don’t think that phrase has ever been uttered before), I immediately knew Olivia would use that power in the finale, but I totally forgot about it when she got show. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/12 "2012-05-12T18:32:43Z")
The symbol holding the observer in place was kind of a silly idea. All of Olivia’s jedi powers were also a bit silly. You could tell they really wrapped it up like a series finale, then added, “they’re coming!” when they found out there would be more episodes. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/13 "2012-05-12T19:17:13Z")
It’s not like “They’re coming!” was unexpected. We already know what the future holds for this world. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/14 "2012-05-12T19:31:24Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’m pretty sure he went to the other universe. You mean back to to our universe? He was already on the other side. > [@](#): > > I remember he used the bell to send Olivia back to our universe the first time. I’ll have to watch again. If he did, I somehow missed that. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/15 "2012-05-12T19:33:17Z")
Reported ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/16 "2012-05-12T19:36:32Z")
As for the, “They’re coming,” part, I was expecting it. I knew that since season five was approved then this episode would have to end on a cliffhanger. The episode “Letters in Transit” kind of took away the mystery of who’s coming though. Frankly, as much as I love the show, this episode makes me feel like ending on season five is the right decision. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/17 "2012-05-12T19:37:34Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Reported What’s reported? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/18 "2012-05-12T19:52:28Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > You mean back to to our universe? He was already on the other side. > > I’ll have to watch again. If he did, I somehow missed that. They were in the alt universe, and when Walter shot Olivia, they bounced back to ours. Then Bell disappeared. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/19 "2012-05-12T19:54:06Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > They were in the alt universe, and when Walter shot Olivia, they bounced back to ours. Then Bell disappeared. :smack: That’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/20 "2012-05-12T20:39:09Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > What’s reported? The duplicate thread that existed, but now has been merged. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672.md?page=2)