# Fringe 5/11 Brave New World Pt 2 (Season Finale, Spoilers) \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672 "2012-05-12T06:09:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/21 "2012-05-12T21:08:25Z")
Yeah, I saw the merge a few minutes after asking. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/22 "2012-05-12T23:03:05Z")
Holy crap, the eye thing on Rebecca Mader was probably the single creepiest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. I really hope that was done with CGI! I didn’t think Olivia was going to have amnesia, but I did think she was going to revert back to the new timeline version of Olivia there, from the way she was acting. I really hope next season will pick up AFTER Henrietta is born, because I really don’t want to see Agent Preggers running around solving fringe events. Such things made for a really crappy season of Bones this year (not that Bones hasn’t been slipping for a while anyway). Was the bell that Bell used the same bell that stuck him in Oliva’s head last season? Not that I think he’s in there now (that happened after he was already dead in that timeline), just wondering. ---
**Author:** ![mikews99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@mikews99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikews99)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/23 "2012-05-13T00:08:48Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Holy crap, the eye thing on Rebecca Mader was probably the single creepiest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. I really hope that was done with CGI! No CGI. Just very old school special effects. The actress’s head was mounted in a rigid frame to prevent movement of the skull and the camera was in a fixed position. They then composited an eye area from one take over another take to get the independent eye movement. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/24 "2012-05-13T01:50:07Z")
> [@mikews99](#): > > No CGI. Just very old school special effects. The actress’s head was mounted in a rigid frame to prevent movement of the skull and the camera was in a fixed position. They then composited an eye area from one take over another take to get the independent eye movement. Ah, well, thanks for the knowledge. I’m just glad it’s not some insane “talent” she possesses! ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/25 "2012-05-13T02:10:40Z")
To be honest, I was wondering too if it was special effects or if she could really do that. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/26 "2012-05-13T03:28:53Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The duplicate thread that existed, but now has been merged. Given the plot of the episode - I find this a bit ironic. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/27 "2012-05-13T05:17:47Z")
Pretty clever. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/28 "2012-05-13T12:11:02Z")
Anyone happen to know if the show resumes in September or in Jan? Also, if it’ll be all 13 episodes in a row, or another of these lame-ass half-seasons? ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/29 "2012-05-13T14:15:43Z")
Did Astrid survive? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/30 "2012-05-13T15:32:34Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Did Astrid survive? yes - astro will be back next season… ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/31 "2012-05-13T15:44:03Z")
I liked the episode. I had figured last episode that Olivia was going to be the key to Bell’s plans to merge the two universes. Then during this episode when they were on the boat, it became obvious that the only way to stop Bell’s plan was for Olivia to die–as prophesied by September. It still shocked the hell out of me when Walter suddenly put a bullet through her brain. No, “I’m sorry, Olivia, it has to be done.” No standoff with Peter trying to talk him out of shooting her. No exposition from Walter beforehand. Just BANG! ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/32 "2012-05-13T19:03:30Z")
At first I thought Peter was going to try and hurt or kill Walter for that. I’m surprised that in his grief Peter didn’t aim his gun at Walter. This makes it the second time that Olivia has cheated death. The first is preventing a future where she gets killed by a bitter Walternate, and now this. Also, Bell’s god complex seems out of left field to me. That does not mesh with the Bell in Olivia’s mind. But then, with the time rewrite maybe something else happened to make him turn out this way and I think it’s more than cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/33 "2012-05-13T21:26:25Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Also, if it’ll be all 13 episodes in a row, or another of these lame-ass half-seasons? What half-seasons? ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/34 "2012-05-13T21:49:31Z")
Ok, I’ve a couple of plot holes here… First, is that in this universe, there was no mention before about Walter having had his brain surgery until this episode. Over the last 10 or so, he’s become the old Walter, the same way Olivia was becoming the old one too… But I got the impression before that he wasn’t as ‘neutered’ as the original Walter… Secondly, did I miss something about Nina? She was either bad, or a shapeshifter, a few episodes ago, where she was not telling anyone about Doyles working for Jones. I was never quite clear on this one, if the bad one was a shapeshifter, then it would be one where they didn’t have to kill the host, which was new… I don’t think I’ve heard mention of an alternate Nina either… ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/35 "2012-05-14T05:58:45Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Ok, I’ve a couple of plot holes here… > > First, is that in this universe, there was no mention before about Walter having had his brain surgery until this episode. Over the last 10 or so, he’s become the old Walter, the same way Olivia was becoming the old one too… But I got the impression before that he wasn’t as ‘neutered’ as the original Walter… The brain removal was mentioned in previous episodes, and the time rewrite didn’t change that. Although they have given three different reasons for it. First it was to keep anybody else from building the same type of gateway between worlds that Walter built to get Peter. Then it was because Walter was worried about his personality (he was becoming like Walternate in the original timeline), and now it’s because he figured out how to create a new universe. > [@](#): > > Secondly, did I miss something about Nina? She was either bad, or a shapeshifter, a few episodes ago, where she was not telling anyone about Doyles working for Jones. I was never quite clear on this one, if the bad one was a shapeshifter, then it would be one where they didn’t have to kill the host, which was new… I don’t think I’ve heard mention of an alternate Nina either… Nina from the other universe was working for Jones. Our Nina is good…or at least not as bad as alt-Nina. ---
**Author:** ![sandra\_nz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@sandra\_nz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sandra_nz)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/36 "2012-05-14T10:26:13Z")
Was the creepy eye thing supposed to suggest that she had come over from the other side, and it was some ‘resonating at different frequencies’ thing? Or am I reading too much into it? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/37 "2012-05-14T10:32:15Z")
No, the eye thing was an effect of being reanimated. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/38 "2012-05-14T10:53:05Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > The brain removal was mentioned in previous episodes, and the time rewrite didn’t change that. > > Although they have given three different reasons for it. First it was to keep anybody else from building the same type of gateway between worlds that Walter built to get Peter. Then it was because Walter was worried about his personality (he was becoming like Walternate in the original timeline), and now it’s because he figured out how to create a new universe. Well, it struck me as Walternate in the merged timeline wasn’t half as evil as the original Walternate. I dunno, it was inconsistent, with the merged timelines, all bets were off (except perhaps Charlie making an appearance), then they drop that bit in the end. In the observer future episode there is mention there of the lobomised Walter, but that to me meant that perhaps that was original timeline. I find with alternative realities and time travel, you can’t go too crazy on the things because it gets inconsistent and confusing… > [@](#): > > Nina from the other universe was working for Jones. Our Nina is good…or at least not as bad as alt-Nina. That to me was the problem here. There wasn’t as far as I know an alternate Nina in the original unmerged timeline. So it was one of the ones, like Belly, who was single existance… What with the bridge and people shifting across, then its quit feasible to think of only one Nina. I suppose the notdeadaltBroyles being involved later on indicated it was altnina… But definitely confusing… ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/39 "2012-05-14T12:23:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > What half-seasons? Don’t they usually air the first half of the season in Fall, then pause for 3 months and air the remainder after New Years? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/40 "2012-05-14T12:24:48Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Nina from the other universe was working for Jones. Our Nina is good…or at least not as bad as alt-Nina. Which I prefer. Evil-Nina is obvious and boring. Hell, I spent the first half of the first season dreading the inevitable Evil-Nina attack and was very pleasantly surprised when it didn’t happen. Complex but basically good Nina is far, FAR more interesting than Evil Nina [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672.md?page=3)