# Fringe 5/11 Brave New World Pt 2 (Season Finale, Spoilers) \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672 "2012-05-12T06:09:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/41 "2012-05-14T16:28:26Z")
[The new season will, fortunately, air in the Fall. No delayed start.](http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55668) ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/42 "2012-05-14T17:25:40Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Which I prefer. > > Evil-Nina is obvious and boring. Hell, I spent the first half of the first season dreading the inevitable Evil-Nina attack and was very pleasantly surprised when it didn’t happen. Complex but basically good Nina is far, FAR more interesting than Evil Nina In the beginning Bell and Nina are prevented as shady characters and using Massive Dynamic for, at best, questionable activities. As time goes on that seems to get dropped and Bell and Nina become good guys. But I wonder how Jones, or Bell, enticed alt-Nina to work for them. Guess we’ll never find out. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/43 "2012-05-14T21:47:57Z")
What was the deal with Broyles getting promoted from Col. to Gen.? I thought he was only a Col. in the redverse where Fringe Division was military and was just Agent Broyles or whatever in the blueverse where they’re part of the FBI. Or am I just not remembering him being called Col. before? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/44 "2012-05-14T22:56:17Z")
I think I remember him being referred to as Colonel Broyles before. According to Fringepedia he’s a [retired colonel](http://fringepedia.net/wiki/Phillip_Broyles). Seeing as how anyone retired from the military can be reactivated, I guess if he ever is he’ll come back as a general now. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/45 "2012-05-15T01:20:59Z")
I’m willing to forgive the underwhelming (thankfully) season finally, because of the uncertainty of whether or not they had to wrap up everything due to cancelation. Fortunately, they got picked up for another 13, so I think they’ll be able to resolve the show and characters in a way they meant to, rather than were forced to. It was pretty clear this played out like a series finale, half-assed at that, but it’s hard to blame the show-runners with the circumstances being what they were. We also saw that the Amber-tech will play a part, did the Red 'verse ever give us that technology, or could it be we’ll be seeing the Red Universe again? My gut tells me we’ll see the Machine get a re-boot, some more time jumping, and Etta’s birth. September said that Etta was the most important piece of this puzzle, I just hope it’s not in a John Connor way, that she’s ultimately the key to the resistance when the Observers take over. Also, they want Nimoy back, so they still want Bell to play a large role, but since Jones is gone, are there anymore henchmen/weird happenings out there that would still tie in to the main mythology? I’m thinking this season will be largely about the big plot, with little in the way of creature of the week. All in all, this is the end game, and now the writers can really plan and plot for it. I’m really looking forward to season 5, and hope all the threads come together in a far more satisfying way. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/46 "2012-05-15T01:58:18Z")
Jones isn’t gone. _Nothing_ can kill Jones. Mark my words…_he’ll be back_…HE’LL BE BACK! Mwahahaahahaaha…😉 That said, it reminded me of one thing I hated about this two-parter. I don’t care how smart or charismatic Bell is\*, Jones is no-one’s stooge. I’m hoping we’ll find out that this was just another Jones ruse, this time using Bell as his unwitting pawn. _and he’s not. Even original universe Bell was a creepy, remorseless, unlikable douche._\* \*\*At least Walter, when he realized what he’d done and what he was becoming requested his brain be chopped up. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/47 "2012-05-15T02:23:03Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > We also saw that the Amber-tech will play a part, did the Red 'verse ever give us that technology, or could it be we’ll be seeing the Red Universe again? My gut tells me we’ll see the Machine get a re-boot, some more time jumping, and Etta’s birth. September said that Etta was the most important piece of this puzzle, I just hope it’s not in a John Connor way, that she’s ultimately the key to the resistance when the Observers take over. Some bad guy ambered a bus way back in season one, before anyone (other than Walter) knew about the altverse. So the tech exists. And I remember Walter considering ambering a building because of some universe problem, but the team was able to stop it in time. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/48 "2012-05-29T10:53:33Z")
Sorry to bring this up again, but I’ve been playing catch up. Did I miss/forget when the Observers were first revealed to be bad guys? Was it in “Letters in Transit” (the 2036 episode)? I ask as in one of these threads people wrote “we only found out they were evil three episodes or so ago” and I don’t seem to remember that. I’ve read some online synopses and all I can see is when Peter and September did a mind meld and saw that the Observers were future scientists. Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/49 "2012-05-29T11:12:18Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Sorry to bring this up again, but I’ve been playing catch up. Did I miss/forget when the Observers were first revealed to be bad guys? Was it in “Letters in Transit” (the 2036 episode)? I ask as in one of these threads people wrote “we only found out they were evil three episodes or so ago” and I don’t seem to remember that. I’ve read some online synopses and all I can see is when Peter and September did a mind meld and saw that the Observers were future scientists. > > Anyone? Yes, it’s revealed in “Letters in Transit”. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/50 "2012-05-29T12:11:57Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Yes, it’s revealed in “Letters in Transit”. Cheers. I thought I had somehow missed something major a few episodes before. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/51 "2012-05-30T00:10:35Z")
I just found out that David Robert Jones is David Bowie’s real name. Huh. (I knew he was David Jones, but not the Robert part.) ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672/52 "2012-05-30T01:33:46Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > I just found out that David Robert Jones is David Bowie’s real name. Huh. (I knew he was David Jones, but not the Robert part.) The now deceased head of the original shapeshifters, Thomas Jerome Newton, was named after the lead character in The “Man Who Fell to Earth”, a movie where Bowie played Newton. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-11-brave-new-world-pt-2-season-finale-spoilers-merged-threads/621672.md?page=2)