# Fringe 5/4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948 "2012-05-05T02:37:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/1 "2012-05-05T02:37:23Z")
Well, talk about your big fake out. Hadn’t we been hearing recently about how Leonard Nimoy had officially retired from acting? Oh sure, he lent his voice to a Big Bang Theory episode and there was that likeness of him encased in amber a couple of episodes back. But I figured that all pointed to never seeing him on screen again. So what a wonderful surprise. Kind of an information age-fueled surprise, I guess. What was the deal with Peter and Olivia entering those two buildings, which they would have good reason to believe contained the bad guy (or guys), without backup, or at least without guns drawn? I’m surprised they made it to the roofs. Which come to think of it, why did Jones allow them to reach the roofs. And why’d he go after Peter first if Olivia was the target? I had a feeling without really knowing why (maybe the look on his face), that Bell meant Jones was the “Bishop”. It’ll be interesting to see how they bring Jones back from the dead again. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/2 "2012-05-05T03:22:17Z")
I just hope Astrid isn’t dead. Didn’t see her in preview. That was an extremely well done fake out re Nimoy ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/3 "2012-05-05T04:28:37Z")
Three things. First, how are you guys getting your posts a week into the past? Second, when Walter told the redhead that her discomfort would be brief, he slipped into his Australian accent. Third, what does this mean? > [@randwill](#): > > Kind of an information age-fueled surprise, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/4 "2012-05-05T10:08:30Z")
I just found of couple of things that are kind of interesting. [Screencrush](http://screencrush.com/fringe-season-5-leonard-nimoy/) > [@](#): > > First off, don’t believe everything you hear. In spite of what series star John Noble told the media some weeks ago, the show never shot an alternate ending for this season’s finale in case of cancellation, so everything seen in “Brave New World” will unfold as intended, with no deleted ending to pop up on a season 4 DVD down the line. They “thought about it,” says ‘Fringe’ producer Joel Wyman, but ultimately decided against. and > [@](#): > > When asked if the staff had written themselves into something of a corner by having the character re-integrated into the story in spite of Nimoy’s retirement, Wyman said: > > ``` > “Once you kind of realize the extent of everything, it will probably become clear why we’re not [writing ourselves into a corner].” > > ``` > > Fellow ‘Fringe’ show-runner Jeff Pinkner adds: > > ``` > “We basically erected a sign outside of Leonard’s house that says, ‘Please come back to Fringe,’ and we are hoping that by Season 5 he says yes.” > > ``` That’ll be cool if he decides to play Bell for about another 13 episodes. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/5 "2012-05-05T10:50:15Z")
It was good to see Charlotte (Rebecca Mader, from Lost) - looks like she will be recurring Brian ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/6 "2012-05-05T14:19:12Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Three things. > > First, how are you guys getting your posts a week into the past? > > Second, when Walter told the redhead that her discomfort would be brief, he slipped into his Australian accent. > > Third, what does this mean? Per your first question, I’ll throw a “what does this mean?” right back at you. On your third question; what I was trying to say was, all the talk about Nimoy’s ‘retirement’ added to the surprise of his character’s reappearance on the show. In the days before vast amounts of information were available to just about everybody, a character thought dead returning to a TV show might be a surprise. But when reports have been telling us that the actor has retired and his character returns, played by the ‘retired’ actor, well, that’s a BIG surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/7 "2012-05-05T17:02:24Z")
When Bell was going on to Jones about sacrificing the bishop, I felt like Jones really ought to have piped up and said, “Just curious … I wouldn’t happen to be the bishop, would I?” It seemed so obvious what was going on right then that I didn’t even think about the name of chess piece / name of Peter and Walter pun that the writers were undoubtedly going for. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/8 "2012-05-05T19:36:04Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Per your first question, I’ll throw a “what does this mean?” right back at you. I was making a joke about the fact that even though this thread was posted on 5/4 the title says 5/11. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/9 "2012-05-05T19:38:03Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > When Bell was going on to Jones about sacrificing the bishop, I felt like Jones really ought to have piped up and said, “Just curious … I wouldn’t happen to be the bishop, would I?” It seemed so obvious what was going on right then that I didn’t even think about the name of chess piece / name of Peter and Walter pun that the writers were undoubtedly going for. At the very least, if I was Jones and I didn’t suspect that Bell meant me, I would have still verified that he meant Walter or Peter. Jones was a very smart man. I’m really surprised he fell for it so easily. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/10 "2012-05-05T19:46:45Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I was making a joke about the fact that even though this thread was posted on 5/4 the title says 5/11. Oh shit, I didn’t even notice that! Mod please fix or next week it’ll be really confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Santos\_L\_Halper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/santos_l_halper/32/1_2.png) [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/11 "2012-05-05T19:48:15Z")
Ok, am I miss-understanding what happened in this episode or did Jones cook up this convoluted plan involving satellites shooting laser beams at Boston to blow up the city, all as a miss-direction to separate Peter and Olivia so that he could attack (and presumably kill) Peter - with a crowbar? What, would bringing a gun have complicated the plan too much? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/12 "2012-05-05T20:48:57Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Oh shit, I didn’t even notice that! Mod please fix or next week it’ll be really confusing. I fixed it. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/13 "2012-05-05T22:30:23Z")
> [@Santos\_L\_Halper](#): > > Ok, am I miss-understanding what happened in this episode or did Jones cook up this convoluted plan involving satellites shooting laser beams at Boston to blow up the city, all as a miss-direction to separate Peter and Olivia so that he could attack (and presumably kill) Peter - with a crowbar? What, would bringing a gun have complicated the plan too much? 😕 As evil master-mind plans go, this one was somewhat lacking, wasn’t it? It reminded me too much of Mr. Burns scheme to block out the sun so he could sell more electric power. “Ever since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun. I shall do the next best thing: block it out.” ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/14 "2012-05-05T23:09:46Z")
It wasn’t Jones’ plan, it was Bell’s. Presumably to both get rid of Bell and activate Olivia’s powers. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/15 "2012-05-05T23:34:20Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Second, when Walter told the redhead that her discomfort would be brief, he slipped into his Australian accent. Ha! So he did. He says “You’re very brave” in his natural accent. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/16 "2012-05-05T23:45:43Z")
Nice to see John Nobles daughter in there as the Doctor at the asylum… And while tracking that down, it shows how good an actor John Noble is that I’ve been watching him 4 seasons, spotted him in an old Stargate SG-1, and only just noticed from the credits on imdb, that he was Denethor in Return of the King… ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/17 "2012-05-05T23:55:02Z")
Also, was I the only one saying ‘They are building an Ark’ in the last two minutes? ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/18 "2012-05-06T00:43:31Z")
They already have an ark; the ship with all of Jones’ critters on it. And you would think that Jones knows chess well enough to know that you talk about sacrificing a piece, you’re talking about one of _your_ pieces. ---
**Author:** ![Santos\_L\_Halper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/santos_l_halper/32/1_2.png) [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/19 "2012-05-06T01:39:22Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > It wasn’t Jones’ plan, it was Bell’s. Presumably to both get rid of Bell and activate Olivia’s powers. It didn’t seem to me that Bell provided the specifics, just that he suggested that Jones take out ‘the Bishop’ and Jones created and executed the actual plan. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948/20 "2012-05-06T02:07:56Z")
In the original timeline Jones plans to go to the other side to show Bell just how special he is. In the new timeline where he survives September says that his plans are the same as in the last timeline. So I guess his plan was to meet up with Bell, and then carry out Bell’s plans. And as for why he didn’t suspect that he was the Bishop, it probably just boiled down to pride and not thinking that Bell would betray him. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-5-4/620948.md?page=2)