# Fringe April 29, 2011 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 30, 2011, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260 "2011-04-30T05:07:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/1 "2011-04-30T05:07:13Z")
The writers really know how to drag things out. It’s kind of annoying but at least they don’t go on too long with the “suspense”. A little disappointing about Sam. He comes from a long line Sams. Not bad I guess. I was just hoping for something a little more, sci-fi-y. Anyway, one more episode left and at this point I have no idea what to expect. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/2 "2011-04-30T05:36:52Z")
I’m pretty much expecting “Terminator” at this point. Which is fine with me; I enjoy that franchise. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/3 "2011-04-30T05:52:48Z")
Just finished watching. Now it’s time for a reaction I haven’t had since Lost ended. . . .wait, what? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/4 "2011-04-30T05:56:25Z")
I’m wondering if what Peter sees is all in his mind. Also, when Walter told Oliva that she would have to get Peter into the machine and she asks how…I felt a sense of Déjà vu. Probably just me. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/5 "2011-04-30T07:59:49Z")
So, was that another other universe in the end? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/6 "2011-04-30T13:23:16Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > So, was that another other universe in the end? I believe it was our universe sometime after 2021, because: 1. The WTC was still standing in the red universe. and 1. The WTC memorial said “Never Forget: September 11, 2001 / September 11, 2021 Memorial” Then Peter gazed upon the new Tower on ground zero. As for the other stuff, apparently we’re at war… Perhaps against the red universe. I think the Machine caused Peter’s consciousness to be transported into his own body some 10 years into the future, which has to be Observer tech, yes? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/7 "2011-04-30T16:07:47Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I believe it was our universe sometime after 2021, because: > > 1. The WTC was still standing in the red universe. > > and > > 1. The WTC memorial said “Never Forget: September 11, 2001 / September 11, 2021 Memorial” > > Then Peter gazed upon the new Tower on ground zero. > > As for the other stuff, apparently we’re at war… Perhaps against the red universe. > > I think the Machine caused Peter’s consciousness to be transported into his own body some 10 years into the future, which has to be Observer tech, yes? On the other hand, the guys were wearing the Fringe Division uniforms. Which makes me think that the machine merged the universes together. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/8 "2011-04-30T17:10:23Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > On the other hand, the guys were wearing the Fringe Division uniforms. Which makes me think that the machine merged the universes together. I’m thinking that’s exactly what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/9 "2011-04-30T17:42:57Z")
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Why would we be 10 years in the future, though? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/10 "2011-04-30T17:50:59Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Oh yeah, that makes sense. Why would we be 10 years in the future, though? Well, Peter’s the only one in the future, or at least his mind is. I think when he got in that machine it did two things, merged the universes and sent his mind to the future. I imagine the finale will be about him trying to undo the damage. This way we get see what would happen if the machine was activated, but they can still undo it. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/11 "2011-04-30T18:29:24Z")
Ahh, interesting! In that case, perhaps the two merged universes are at war? But if so, why is Peter aligned with the Fringe Division from the other side? Unless, our government creates our own Fringe Division (and not just an extension of the FBI)? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/12 "2011-04-30T19:35:42Z")
If you want to see something really strange then check [this](http://www.fringetelevision.com/2011/04/fringe-sneak-peek-1-3x22-day-we-died.html) out. Just like the other preview, I have no idea what to make of this one. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/13 "2011-04-30T21:29:24Z")
Well. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Aversin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@Aversin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aversin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/14 "2011-04-30T22:50:38Z")
There is another preview for next weeks episode [Link.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IanRGxZSTm4) It is shorter but more informative. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/15 "2011-04-30T23:53:30Z")
Yeah, that’s the one they showed at the end of the recent episode. It seems like they’re going to try and pack a lot stuff into an hour…or with commercials, more like 45 minutes or so. One thing I’ve read a few times is that it will end on a cliff hanger. But I guess that’s to be expected. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/16 "2011-04-30T23:53:51Z")
The aging makeup on Peter actually seemed pretty effective, which isn’t always the case. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/17 "2011-05-01T00:50:51Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > The aging makeup on Peter actually seemed pretty effective, which isn’t always the case. I had the same thought, but as I was watching, I couldn’t be sure if they were aging him, or it was “battle” makeup. The more I think about it, I think they did age him… if so, it looked good. I watched that ending twice even, to try and absorb everything. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/18 "2011-05-01T00:58:45Z")
I guess I need glasses. I thought he looked the same age. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/19 "2011-05-01T01:11:09Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > If you want to see something really strange then check [this](http://www.fringetelevision.com/2011/04/fringe-sneak-peek-1-3x22-day-we-died.html) out. > > Just like the other preview, I have no idea what to make of this one. My thoughts on that sneak peek: [spoiler]I wonder if Peter’s mind has been altered by the machine. In this last episode, he thought he was from the red universe when he was in his fugue. And that was just from touching the machine. Maybe the machine has merged the Peter he would have been had he never been kidnapped, with the Peter as we know him? So, he’s this person with feelings and memories for both sides? Also, about Astrid. Mentioning she had to go into the field with Fringe Division. It’s hard to know what that means until the story unravels further, but it looks like they’re really shaking things up for next season. Interesting, but I hope it doesn’t fuck with the chemistry I’m currently enjoying with these characters. I think Astrid and Walter’s relationship is really endearing. With Walter in shackles, it makes me think the red universe has taken over ours: Maybe Walternate has imprisoned him for the crimes of not only kidnapping Peter, but almost destroying both universes?[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/20 "2011-05-01T02:52:01Z")
I don’t know. In the other trailer there’s one scene where Walternate tells Peter, “You destroyed my universe son, and I’m going to destroy yours.” So I don’t think Peter and Walternate would be buddy-buddy. However, from a couple of short interviews with John Noble He basically hints that Walter and Walternate will join forces to save both worlds. So in that case I can’t see Walter being imprisoned. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260.md?page=2)