# Fringe May 6,2011 "The Day We Died" (Season Finale) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047 "2011-05-07T03:33:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/1 "2011-05-07T03:33:57Z")
No thread yet??? Spoilers in next post ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/2 "2011-05-07T03:35:41Z")
Let me just dust off this post from last week: > [@Fringe April 29, 2011](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-april-29-2011/580260/3): > > Just finished watching. Now it’s time for a reaction I haven’t had since Lost ended. > . . .wait, what? I’m gonna need a while to process all this. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/3 "2011-05-07T03:38:00Z")
So Olivia is the one who dies, though in [strike]the[/strike] A future. quotes Aunt Liv…I mean Agent Dunham…Ma’am? Just call me boss I could actually see Olivia and Fauxlivia getting along. Wonder what aspects merged? I hope dirigibles made it Brian ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/4 "2011-05-07T03:39:53Z")
Time travel back and forth makes my head hurt. I need a nap. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/5 "2011-05-07T04:03:16Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > So Olivia is the one who dies, though in [strike]the[/strike] A future. > > quotes > Aunt Liv…I mean Agent Dunham…Ma’am? > > Just call me boss > > I could actually see Olivia and Fauxlivia getting along. > Wonder what aspects merged? I hope dirigibles made it > Brian I don’t think Peter merged the entire universes. He just combined both Liberty Islands into some kind of meeting place. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/6 "2011-05-07T04:46:38Z")
well, walter went for the reset button, but the button had other ideas, and disappeared, having served his purpose, so no one remembers him, so he didnt exist - so he wasnt there to start the thing that walter broke that he solved - so … wait, what? I think I would have preffered the reset button, atleast then I could gripe about the reset button but it would make sense. (Hello, ‘year from hell’ anyone) This doesn’t make sense, and not in a good way - and I honestly don’t think next season "figure out how to fix it’ will be any fun at all. (especially since they already know how to fix it, which is for Walter to bury the machine millions of years ago and write a book and steal a boy and break the universe that they then have to fix by…) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/7 "2011-05-07T04:49:23Z")
> [@simster](#): > > This doesn’t make sense, and not in a good way - and I honestly don’t think next season "figure out how to fix it’ will be any fun at all. I’m excited, mainly because this whole thing seems to be an excuse to get both sides working with each other. I can’t wait to see all the interactions between the Blue and Red universe people. Also, did anyone catch the “Fringe science” topics in the opening titles? I’m pretty sure one of them just said “water.” ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/8 "2011-05-07T05:07:00Z")
That was awfully interesting. So, Peter’s gone, the universes have a bridge, and the Observers seem okay with how things went. Who the hell are the Observers? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/9 "2011-05-07T05:10:10Z")
To echo an earlier post, if Peter never existed, then Walter never went to the other side in the first place. So if he never went, and broke the other universe, why do they have to work together to save both universes? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/10 "2011-05-07T05:21:55Z")
See, this is why humans can’t have time travel; we can’t possibly wrap our brains around all the paradoxes. (Toot my own horn a little bit - I said “Paradox” nearly in unison with Walter. 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/11 "2011-05-07T08:12:28Z")
Hmm, not sure about the whole ‘they don’t remember Peter’ thing; I’m fine with a paradox actually just being that (like the machine or the ‘first peoples’ book, which apparently come from nowhere – an ‘unproven theorem’-kind of paradox as opposed to nonexistent Peter’s ‘grandfather’ paradox), and hence, the whole ‘but then Walter wouldn’t have gone over etc.’ doesn’t really trouble me, but Peter was, from a storytelling point of view, just an integral part of (many of) the characters being who they are, so that without him, they lack motivation… I’m not sure where the writers are going to go from this point. That said, I’m looking forward to both sides interacting, learning to work together etc. Oh, and John Noble was just awesome in this episode – the way he just implied that future Walter had had some sort of stroke sometime previously, I don’t even know how to pull that off… Was Peter always left handed, and I just never noticed, by the way? ---
**Author:** ![Aversin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@Aversin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aversin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/12 "2011-05-07T10:33:12Z")
I’m just not buying the Peter never existed plot device. Maybe I missed something so I’ll try and re-watch it again, but I’m pretty disappointed. I think the finale had a great buildup, but they just didn’t seem to deliver. If Peter never existed, why do Olivia/Walter think Fauxlivia/Walternate are there? Is Fauxlivia’s baby gone, or an immaculate conception? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/13 "2011-05-07T12:51:36Z")
The whole cast will be back next season, so obviously Peter still exists, or will exist again. In an [interview](http://www.fringespoilers.com/) John Noble said, “…all of our principle characters will be back next year, just maybe a little bit different.” ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/14 "2011-05-07T16:21:00Z")
I thought it was pretty lame. I don’t think I am interested enough to come back for next season. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/15 "2011-05-07T16:39:17Z")
Having been led on with the promise of a major character being killed, I felt rather cheated to discover that said death was in a future that was going to be averted. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/16 "2011-05-07T16:44:36Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > Having been led on with the promise of a major character being killed, I felt rather cheated to discover that said death was in a future that was going to be averted. Actually, I’m pretty sure the “Character meets his or her demise” is referring to Peter. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/17 "2011-05-07T16:59:25Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Actually, I’m pretty sure the “Character meets his or her demise” is referring to Peter. Yeah, they did say “lose” or some other wiggle word, didn’t they - but if they still keep the char next season, then we didn’t did we? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/18 "2011-05-07T17:11:26Z")
The Other Half and I speculated that in the revised timeline Peter did exist - but died as a boy in both. Which means neither Walter has a grandkid ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/19 "2011-05-07T17:17:20Z")
I’m much more a fan of the freak of the week stories. It was the same way with the X-Files. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047/20 "2011-05-07T17:17:27Z")
Maybe Walter still went over to try and save the alternate Peter but somehow failed. That way, he still went over and caused the damage. Of course, how they all arrived at Liberty Island when none of the previous events occurred would still be a mystery. And since Joshua Jackson will be back… Since I’m sucked in to the show, I’m giving the writers a chance to make sense of this all. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-may-6-2011-the-day-we-died-season-finale/581047.md?page=2)