# Fringe Series Finale January 18 2013 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 18, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645 "2013-01-18T19:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/61 "2013-01-21T22:12:43Z")
I thought Michael snuffed Widmark too. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/62 "2013-01-21T22:18:39Z")
Multiple times Olivia’s Cortexiphan powers have effected lights and she has been shown to have telekinesis. The way the lights start going out in the buildings as she slowly gets up was a pretty good indication to me that it’s all her, including the car smashing Windmark. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/63 "2013-01-21T22:58:59Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Multiple times Olivia’s Cortexiphan powers have effected lights and she has been shown to have telekinesis. > > The way the lights start going out in the buildings as she slowly gets up was a pretty good indication to me that it’s all her, including the car smashing Windmark. Yep, it was definitely Olivia. The way the whole scene plays out, it was her going all Mama Bear to protect Michael from the man who killed her daughter. > [@wonderlust](#): > > I watched the first episode of _Continuum_, a U.S. premiere. It was underwhelming, but I’ll watch a few more to see how it goes. > [@deltasigma](#): > > I looked that up - thanks. It’s a [Canadian series](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_%28TV_series%29) and in August was renewed for 13 episodes over the 10 for season 1. I watched the first episode of \*Continuum \*the other day (2nd episode is tonight). I thought it started off pretty good, in the scenes set in the future. But it took a downturn later when the hunky cop showed up. I’ve read good things, though, so I’ll keep watching for now. [\*Defiance \*](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defiance_(TV_series))starts up on Syfy in a few months. It looks visually interesting, based on the brief ads I’ve seen. I like Julie Benz and Jaime Murray, so I’m cautiously hopeful. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/64 "2013-01-21T23:01:17Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Multiple times Olivia’s Cortexiphan powers have effected lights and she has been shown to have telekinesis. > > The way the lights start going out in the buildings as she slowly gets up was a pretty good indication to me that it’s all her, including the car smashing Windmark. True on the lights - but I recall her ‘anger’ power being fire - I thought it was Olivia that did it - I have no idea what the ‘shush’ was for - I’m beginning to appreciate the response from **enalzi** as to a ‘plausible’ way they were thinking -but I think we’ll need a ruling from Doc Brown in order to fully accept it. In retrospect over the series - it seems alot of the “prepare for war” from Walter’s manifesto came to pass - and it seems that the writers did try and think things thru in the end. The biggest problem, IHMO, is that for most of the audience - alot of this would have gone over the heads - hell, I missed the BTTF timeline inference and I was trying to make sense of it so I could explain it to other family members. Didn’t Walter at one time have a BTTF type timeline drawing in one of the lab scenes? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/65 "2013-01-21T23:31:18Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Didn’t Walter at one time have a BTTF type timeline drawing in one of the lab scenes? He did it to explain Déjà vu to Olivia who was having glimpses of another world (this was before the alternate universe was talked about). Edit: The episode was “The road not taken” [YouTube clip](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOLOtDlHfsE) ---
**Author:** ![Iggins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Iggins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggins)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/66 "2013-01-21T23:39:21Z")
I’ve read a theory that the “shush” motion from Michael allows the other characters to find a solution to a problem by quieting their minds and looking inwards. Olivia found the power to crush Widmark, and Astrid thought of using the shipping lanes for the time travel mechanism. IN any case, Astrid was the real hero of the last two episodes… ---
**Author:** ![Obeseus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbce88/32.png) [@Obeseus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Obeseus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/67 "2013-01-22T03:37:39Z")
I was expecting to see Windmark realize he had failed to stop them and disintegrate, since the resetting of time would have caused him to cease to exist. I had also wondered if we were going to see other Michael-type observors. In the episode when he was found, the agent who wanted to take him spoke into his phone, “I think we’ve found another one.” ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/68 "2013-01-22T04:31:59Z")
> [@Obeseus](#): > > I had also wondered if we were going to see other Michael-type observors. In the episode when he was found, the agent who wanted to take him spoke into his phone, “I think we’ve found another one.” I thought about that too, but I think that the producers are hoping that most people have forgotten about it since the idea that the boy was September’s son obviously came about in season 5. Either that, or if they get a movie made we’ll discover that there was at least one other Observer who hid his son in the 21[sup]st[/sup] century too. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/69 "2013-01-22T04:45:18Z")
> [@Obeseus](#): > > I was expecting to see Windmark realize he had failed to stop them and disintegrate, since the resetting of time would have caused him to cease to exist. > > I had also wondered if we were going to see other Michael-type observors. In the episode when he was found, the agent who wanted to take him spoke into his phone, “I think we’ve found another one.” Windmark mentioned there had been other “anomalies,” the Observers just didn’t realize how important he was. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/70 "2013-01-23T20:34:25Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I watched the first episode of \*Continuum \*the other day (2nd episode is tonight). I thought it started off pretty good, in the scenes set in the future. But it took a downturn later when the hunky cop showed up. I’ve read good things, though, so I’ll keep watching for now. I watched the entire 10 episodes of season one of Continuum. It almost lost me within the first 3 episodes, but then it picked up for me. Not a bad premise, although I thought some of the resolutions or explanations for certain paradoxes were weak. I’ll definitely catch season 2 when it comes out in a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/71 "2013-01-23T21:24:31Z")
One other minor question that I think was unanswered. The evil guy in the German prison who was disintegrating (from a faulty between-worlds-transfer) was desperately trying to get Olivia to use her Cortexiphan powers…but…why? I understood most of his plot, but not that bit. (Also, I missed him. He was such a good villain) ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/72 "2013-01-23T21:39:24Z")
I may be misremembering here, but if you’re talking about why he wanted to get Olivia to use her Cortexiphan powers way back in Season 1 (when he was trying to get her to turn on the lights) – I don’t think he’d been to the other world at that point. I think at that point he had only transfered within this world (e.g., from the German prison to somewhere in the US) and that’s what was causing him to disintegrate. I think he was trying to get Olivia to use her Cortexiphan powers so that she would cross over to the other world, and then he could – I don’t know – follow her, or something. It made sense when I started typing. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/73 "2013-01-23T21:58:38Z")
Yeah–the lightbulb thing and other times. How was turning Olivia into a super-hero going to help him advance his master plan? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/74 "2013-01-24T09:12:15Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > One other minor question that I think was unanswered. The evil guy in the German prison who was disintegrating (from a faulty between-worlds-transfer) was desperately trying to get Olivia to use her Cortexiphan powers…but…why? I understood most of his plot, but not that bit. > > (Also, I missed him. He was such a good villain) David Robert Jones. He originally worked for Bell, got arrested in Germany for, I don’t know why, and escaped by teleporting out. This caused his body to start breaking down. Original timeline - He tries to open a portal to the other side to meet Bell. The only reason he gives is to show Bell how special he has become. Peter closes the portal on him [slicing him in half](http://fringepedia.net/w/images/2/2e/HalfJones.jpg). New timeline (season 4) - With no Peter he successfully crossed over, met with Bell and got his body repaired. Working for Bell he tried to destroy both worlds. He was trying to activate Olivia’s Cortexiphan abilities because she was what would cause the two universes to collapse so that a third one would be created and Bell could claim credit as being its god. Bell betrayed Jones by having him set up a situation where to save Peter Olivia used her powers to kill Jones. ---
**Author:** ![Helena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c68b51/32.png) [@Helena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/75 "2013-01-24T18:22:59Z")
I’ve been enjoying listening to [FringeCast](http://www.flashforcast.com/fringe.xml) (fan podcast–they’re also on [itunes](https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/fringecast/id454646662)). Iain MacKinnon’s powers of observation are truly astonishing. They’ve got the first part of their finale dissection up now. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645/76 "2013-01-26T00:52:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > John Noble should have won an Emmy every year this show has been on. Quoted because damn, I was thinking nearly the same thing throughout the finale. Actually my thoughts were more along the line of “wow, he really should have an entire shelf full of emmys.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fringe-series-finale-january-18-2013/647645.md?page=3)