# Fritz Lang-Die Nibelungen **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 23, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fritz-lang-die-nibelungen/286201 "2005-01-23T04:32:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fritz-lang-die-nibelungen/286201/1 "2005-01-23T04:32:53Z")
What’s the deal with Gunther, Hagen? Hagen murdered Siegfried, Kriemhild’s husband. Why does Gunther protect him? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fritz-lang-die-nibelungen/286201/2 "2005-01-23T05:15:06Z")
Hagen convinced Gunther that Siegfried was considered the superior man, before Gunther, by the people. Also, Brunhild finds out that Siegfried tricked her into marrying Gunther and Gunther feels ashamed at that. So out of jealousy and shame, Gunther gives Hagen _permission_ to kill Siegfried. It’s not just protection, but aiding and abetting as well. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fritz-lang-die-nibelungen/286201/3 "2005-01-23T05:22:32Z")
Yes, but it’s eventually clear that Hagen murdered Siefried and Gunther continues to protect him against the wrath of Gunther’s Sister. BTW, this was Hitler’s favorite movie.