# From e3 with love (E3 conference stuff!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675 "2013-06-10T23:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/21 "2013-06-11T02:42:36Z")
Well Sony just dropped the bomb on MS. They will fully support trading games. You buy the disc, you own it. No internet connection required either. Man they are really doing a number on Microsoft. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/22 "2013-06-11T02:45:56Z")
They ARE putting multi-player behind a paywall though. As well as game updates and cloud saves apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/23 "2013-06-11T02:48:08Z")
Don’t confuse online nerd rage with actual consumer preference. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/24 "2013-06-11T02:55:47Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Hard to believe they are snubbing the red hot PC gaming market. With so many PC gamers out there, and numbers growing every day, they are just walking away from free money! They could develop better games cheaper, sell them cheaper, and sell more of them because the PC gaming market is so awesome! > > What is wrong with these guys!! I know, right? Everybody knows that this generation of consoles will be a complete disappointment and people are going to finally wake up and smell the PC they built themselves for less than whatever a console costs. EA will go out of business for sure because PCs double in power every other week. Then they’ll be sorry! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/25 "2013-06-11T02:56:28Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Well Sony just dropped the bomb on MS. They will fully support trading games. You buy the disc, you own it. No internet connection required either. > > Man they are really doing a number on Microsoft. I just read this. Yeah…so will Microsoft have to do the same, then? ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/26 "2013-06-11T03:02:46Z")
Oh my god. $399. MS is done for. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/27 "2013-06-11T03:06:40Z")
At least they still have Excel. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/28 "2013-06-11T03:16:27Z")
And it’s a PC exclusive! ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/29 "2013-06-11T03:26:41Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Don’t confuse online nerd rage with actual consumer preference. Well, when it comes to cutting-edge consoles that cost several hundred dollars apiece, the online nerd rage community is sort of the target market. I suspect that with used games and the $399 price point, Sony is going to win this particular console war. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/30 "2013-06-11T03:56:35Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I suspect that with used games and the $399 price point, Sony is going to win this particular console war. Agreed. Remember when the 3DS crushed the Vita before the Vita was even released? This is going to be like that, except it’ll be even more embarrassing for MS because the two systems are launching at the same time. I love the Xbox 360 controller and I love the Achievements system, but fuck it, the PS4 looks leagues better than the Xbox One. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/31 "2013-06-11T04:05:11Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Well, when it comes to cutting-edge consoles that cost several hundred dollars apiece, the online nerd rage community is sort of the target market. Nah. You’re mixing up the groups. Their target demographic is “hardcore gamers” (whatever that means), which isn’t the same as “people who like to post trolly things about Microsoft and/or Sony.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/32 "2013-06-11T04:52:25Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Oh my god. $399. I’ve been keeping my mouth shut for obvious reasons, but that was exactly the price point I’d previously heard being discussed internally. People in my office were somewhat worried after MS went out at $499 that the execs would decide to make a last minute increase, but fortunately they stayed the course. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/33 "2013-06-11T05:08:39Z")
I miss G4 tv. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/34 "2013-06-11T05:17:35Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Nah. You’re mixing up the groups. Their target demographic is “hardcore gamers” (whatever that means), which isn’t the same as “people who like to post trolly things about Microsoft and/or Sony.” MS might still do well with kids/families and casual gamers. Sure seems like Nintendo left that door open for somebody. Sony’s relatively low price isn’t so low outside the US. It’s AU$549, which sounds like bullshit to me, seeing how the US and Aussie dollars have been at parity for a while now. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/35 "2013-06-11T06:12:25Z")
[How to share games on the PS4.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA) ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/36 "2013-06-11T07:07:03Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Nah. You’re mixing up the groups. Their target demographic is “hardcore gamers” (whatever that means), which isn’t the same as “people who like to post trolly things about Microsoft and/or Sony.” The Venn diagram of these two groups is close enough to being a circle that you would need professional drafting equipment to tell the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/37 "2013-06-11T11:09:00Z")
So what kind of deal with the devil did Sony make to get all that GDDR5 at that price point? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/38 "2013-06-11T11:34:27Z")
Yeah. I’m sure I’ll end up with both systems because I’m greedy but the PS4 sounds positioned to take back the console market by force. I see no good reason for the average cash strapped gamer to get the x1 over the PS4. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/39 "2013-06-11T12:04:24Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > [How to share games on the PS4.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA) I like it. Microsoft will have to do the same, I think. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675/40 "2013-06-11T13:03:34Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I like it. Microsoft will have to do the same, I think. I don’t think they can. Microsoft has gone with a model where games that you buy on disk are installed to the hard drive. So if they don’t use some sort of online verification, they’ve opened themselves up to widespread copying of games. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-e3-with-love-e3-conference-stuff/660675.md?page=3)