# ...from the President of the United States: WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 23, 2020, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078 "2020-03-23T05:48:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/221 "2020-03-25T21:43:17Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I don’t agree with this for the simple reason that I think they are victims. Look at what they are being told by the religious authorities: … > > > [@](#): > > > > COVID-19 is a “phantom plague.” > > It was created by the Chinese government to tank the U.S. economy. > > The media is run by Communists. > > There’s a 75% chance the positive test is negative. > > Any vaccine will just be a Big Pharma scam. > > The outbreak was “planned” at a 2019 event organized by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. > > The “deep state” is feeding Donald Trump misinformation. > > The World Health Organization is conducting “medical tyranny” by telling countries how they ought to respond. > > Our government has deployed the military for a soon-to-happen war against our national enemies Here is a similar view from one Harold-Browne, “who was among evangelical leaders who laid hands upon and prayed over President Donald Trump in the Oval Office in 2017”: > **[Rodney Howard-Browne: Coronavirus Pandemic Is a Globalist Plot to Kill People...](https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rodney-howard-browne-coronavirus-pandemic-is-a-globalist-plot-to-kill-people-with-vaccines/)** > > Amid the global COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic, right-wing pastor and radical conspiracy theorist Rodney Howard-Browne held services at his The River He differs with the view that this is a hoax produced by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and blames it instead on a hoax produced by The Rockefeller Foundation and Global Business Network. The objective in any case is to produce a fake vaccine that will kill people, reduce the population, and enable the creation of one World Government, which the climate change hoax apparently failed to do. It’s a creative combination of the conspiracy that COVID-19 is a scam, that climate change is a scam, promoting the anti-vax conspiracy, and promoting the “one world government” conspiracy, and disparaging charitable and medical institutions. It pretty much covers the whole gamut of lunatic right-wing conspiracy theories, although I suspect that Harold-Browne also has some interesting views on what really happened on 9/11, Obama’s birthplace, and alien abductions. I should see if he offers a newsletter. Yes, he’s in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/222 "2020-03-25T22:32:39Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > That’s right, I’m a Fla. turfer. ISWYDT Assholes like Dave Yost, the attorney general of Ohio, and Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, have suddenly [deemed abortions a non-essential health-care.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/anti-choice-politicians-are-using-the-coronavirus-crisis-to-deny-abortion-rights-973096/) ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/223 "2020-03-25T23:23:31Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Too late. > > It’s already happened. > > It just hasn’t finished unfolding yet. I don’t know what to say to this. In some ways. In some ways it is on paper. The main thing is that the effect hasn’t taken hold, so how could you tell? 6-8 weeks at home on the gov’t dole will jack up the debt, but if things get back to relative normal in a manageable time frame, it might end up not amounting to more than that. Worse case scenarios, well we kind of have to wait and see. > [@wolfpup](#): > > Here is a similar view from one Harold-Browne, “who was among evangelical leaders who laid hands upon and prayed over President Donald Trump in the Oval Office in 2017”: > [Rodney Howard-Browne: Coronavirus Pandemic Is a Globalist Plot to Kill People With Vaccines | Right Wing Watch](https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rodney-howard-browne-coronavirus-pandemic-is-a-globalist-plot-to-kill-people-with-vaccines/) > > He differs with the view that this is a hoax produced by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and blames it instead on a hoax produced by The Rockefeller Foundation and Global Business Network. The objective in any case is to produce a fake vaccine that will kill people, reduce the population, and enable the creation of one World Government, which the climate change hoax apparently failed to do. > > It’s a creative combination of the conspiracy that COVID-19 is a scam, that climate change is a scam, promoting the anti-vax conspiracy, and promoting the “one world government” conspiracy, and disparaging charitable and medical institutions. It pretty much covers the whole gamut of lunatic right-wing conspiracy theories, although I suspect that Harold-Browne also has some interesting views on what really happened on 9/11, Obama’s birthplace, and alien abductions. I should see if he offers a newsletter. > > Yes, he’s in Florida. That’s a lot of crazy all rolled up into one. I guess there is a powerful need for denial in some folks? It is too bad though- it will be hard to deny when grandma is coughing up blood and drowning on her own snot, though probably not impossible to blame on liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/224 "2020-03-26T00:03:24Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > it will be hard to deny when grandma is coughing up blood and drowning on her own snot, though probably not impossible to blame on liberals. Really? The disease will be the fault of godless liberals, just like hurricanes and whatnot, and grandma is collateral damage in the punishment doled out by God. And anyway, she’s in Heaven getting her just reward. The playbook already exists for blaming everybody else, even when it makes no God damned sense. Denial is never hard for these folks. Epistemic closure is a scary beast. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/225 "2020-03-26T00:04:50Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > ISWYDT > Assholes like Dave Yost, the attorney general of Ohio, and Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, have suddenly [deemed abortions a non-essential health-care.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/anti-choice-politicians-are-using-the-coronavirus-crisis-to-deny-abortion-rights-973096/) Abortions are “essential health-care”? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/226 "2020-03-26T00:55:17Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Here is a similar view from one Harold-Browne, “who was among evangelical leaders who laid hands upon and prayed over President Donald Trump in the Oval Office in 2017”: > [Rodney Howard-Browne: Coronavirus Pandemic Is a Globalist Plot to Kill People With Vaccines | Right Wing Watch](https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rodney-howard-browne-coronavirus-pandemic-is-a-globalist-plot-to-kill-people-with-vaccines/) > > He differs with the view that this is a hoax produced by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and blames it instead on a hoax produced by The Rockefeller Foundation and Global Business Network. The objective in any case is to produce a fake vaccine that will kill people, reduce the population, and enable the creation of one World Government, which the climate change hoax apparently failed to do. > > It’s a creative combination of the conspiracy that COVID-19 is a scam, that climate change is a scam, promoting the anti-vax conspiracy, and promoting the “one world government” conspiracy, and disparaging charitable and medical institutions. It pretty much covers the whole gamut of lunatic right-wing conspiracy theories, although I suspect that Harold-Browne also has some interesting views on what really happened on 9/11, Obama’s birthplace, and alien abductions. I should see if he offers a newsletter. > > Yes, he’s in Florida. Someone please explain to me why this person is not immediately confined to a mental institution for his own safety, and especially for the safety of others that he is going to kill? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/227 "2020-03-26T01:04:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Abortions are “essential health-care”? [This woman nearly died because a Catholic hospital was too reluctant to perform an abortion.](https://rewire.news/article/2019/09/25/miscarriage-catholic-hospital/) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/228 "2020-03-26T01:13:30Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [This woman nearly died because a Catholic hospital was too reluctant to perform an abortion.](https://rewire.news/article/2019/09/25/miscarriage-catholic-hospital/) That’s a sad story. Doesn’t show that abortions are “essential health care” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/229 "2020-03-26T01:24:54Z")
Are you saying that for her it was not essential? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/230 "2020-03-26T01:25:32Z")
You personally don’t believe that abortion is basic health care? You require proof? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/231 "2020-03-26T01:45:30Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Abortions are “essential health-care”? (wish I got back sooner so this wouldn’t look like a pile on, but he _was_ addressing me, anyway) It’s not too uncommon for life-theatening complications to occur during pregnancy, that yeah, might require an abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/232 "2020-03-26T02:06:08Z")
Sending old folk out to die is the new essential healthcare amongst pro-lifers. Get with the program Trumpkateers. I want to see those churches Packed come Easter. EVERYONE should do their part, and die for their grandkids! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/233 "2020-03-26T02:08:57Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s a sad story. Doesn’t show that abortions are “essential health care” You’d rather that women die from problem pregnancies because abortions have been deemed non-essential? How about rape victims who got pregnant and can’t have abortions because it’s non-essential? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/234 "2020-03-26T02:24:14Z")
Christ, just don’t fucking respond. manson’s not a troll, but he’s just not qualified to talk about this issue and let’s just accept his position as an uninformed one and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/235 "2020-03-26T02:27:06Z")
Yes, when it comes to issues involving women there’s no point in engaging. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/236 "2020-03-26T02:46:21Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > Yes, when it comes to issues involving women there’s no point in engaging. Ah, so the git simply prefers women not exist in the first place except as a place to park his dick. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/237 "2020-03-26T05:22:17Z")
It always bothers me when folks try to justify abortions with saving the life of the mother or aborting because of rape. Fuck that. It’s her body and she does not want it to be used at that time for growing a fetus. Period. That should be all the explanation anyone needs. So yes, it is a necessary medical procedure that should be performed as soon as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/238 "2020-03-26T05:28:37Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > It always bothers me when folks try to justify abortions with saving the life of the mother or aborting because of rape. Or having to use that as an entry level explanation for certain individuals - a road I was hoping not to have to go down, in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/239 "2020-03-26T08:54:38Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Sending old folk out to die is the new essential healthcare amongst pro-lifers. Get with the program Trumpkateers. C’mon, Grandma! Go with the floe! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/240 "2020-03-26T09:41:56Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > C’mon, Grandma! Go with the floe! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078.md?page=13)