# ...from the President of the United States: WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 23, 2020, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078 "2020-03-23T05:48:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/261 "2020-03-26T18:27:33Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Do we? Do you have an example of an equivalent procedure done as a medical necessity? I don’t know of an example, I’m legitimately curious what you have in mind. Cancer is a natural process. Diseases are natural processes. Even aging, which causes many maladies, is a natural process. We fight them all. I don’t think labeling pregnancy as a natural process makes it any less a thing that some people may find undesirable. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/262 "2020-03-26T18:36:04Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Do we? Do you have an example of an equivalent procedure done as a medical necessity? I don’t know of an example, I’m legitimately curious what you have in mind. Well, it is a natural process that has a fair chance of killing the person experiencing it, so that is one argument for allowing unrestricted terminations. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/263 "2020-03-26T19:40:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Cancer is a natural process. Diseases are natural processes. Even aging, which causes many maladies, is a natural process. We fight them all. > > I don’t think labeling pregnancy as a natural process makes it any less a thing that some people may find undesirable. :rolleyes: Those are your examples? I thought you were serious, never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/264 "2020-03-26T19:57:29Z")
[quote=“Frazzled, post:253, topic:850078”] Check out this ad about the number of Corona Virus cases over time and Trumps response to it. This one needs to be aired constantly! What’s truly scary about it is it clearly shows the exponential rise of cases. That Trump is even remotely thinking we’re going back to work in 2 weeks is a fools dream. [/QUOTE] [Trump camp threatens local TV stations over Democratic ad](https://apnews.com/5251611364ef032adb1de2d467f15726) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign is threatening legal action against local TV stations in Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin if they don’t pull a Democratic anti-Trump commercial that uses clips of the president talking about the coronavirus outbreak. The campaign says the ad is false. > > Priorities USA Action Fund, the Democratic super PAC that created the 30-second spot and supported Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, responded by soliciting financial contributions to keep the ad on the airwaves. > > Trump’s campaign said the commercial contains the “false assertion” that Trump called the coronavirus a “hoax.” > > The ad strings together audio of recent comments by Trump in which he attempts to minimize the seriousness of the coronavirus outbreak, including a snippet in which he says “this is their new hoax.” > > Trump’s campaign said Wednesday that it had delivered “cease and desist” letters to the stations demanding that they pull the ad or face legal action. > [@](#): > > Guy Cecil, chairman of Priorities USA, tweeted Wednesday that Trump wants to block the ad “because he doesn’t want Americans to know the truth.” He included a link for donations to pay to keep the ad on the air. [Cite](https://twitter.com/prioritiesUSA). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/265 "2020-03-26T19:58:56Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Those are your examples? I thought you were serious, never mind. That’s okay; I thought you were reasonable but I guess we’re both wrong about each other. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/266 "2020-03-26T20:14:02Z")
Except wait: I was serious. And you responded with an _ad hominem_ attack. I assume that’s your tacit admission that you’ve got nothin’ and concede the argument. Thanks for making that so easy. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/267 "2020-03-26T21:30:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > But we intervene to prevent many other natural processes from irrevocably altering a person’s life, right? A fucking heart attack is a natural process. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/268 "2020-03-26T23:04:23Z")
Aye; it is. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/269 "2020-03-27T00:10:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Trump camp threatens local TV stations over Democratic ad](https://apnews.com/5251611364ef032adb1de2d467f15726)[Cite](https://twitter.com/prioritiesUSA). Yep. Time to make it go viral on social media. I’ve already started - anyone else want to join me? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/270 "2020-03-27T00:42:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Except wait: I was serious. And you responded with an _ad hominem_ attack. I assume that’s your tacit admission that you’ve got nothin’ and concede the argument. > > Thanks for making that so easy. I asked for a procedure **equivalent to abortion** and you go off on stupid shit about fighting aging and other dumbass stuff. So if you were being serious and not flippant, you’re a moron. How is that for ad hominem? Again, seriously, giving birth is something people do all the damn time, it’s not a medical ailment that needs to be cured unless the situation carries unusual risks that warrant termination of the pregnancy. What procedure do people perform as an essential medical practice that’s equivalent to an abortion? I’m not a pro-lifer trying for a gotcha here. And if there is an argument that can make abortion equivalent to other accepted essential medical procedures, great, that’s an argument that can shut down those trying to inhibit a woman’s choice. I haven’t seen a serious argument, just people being cute about it. I assume because you’ve “got nothin’”, as you said. Which is a shame, I honestly hoped you had one. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/271 "2020-03-27T00:48:57Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yep. > > Time to make it go viral on social media. I’ve already started - anyone else want to join me? I put the YouTube link on my Facebook page earlier today, urging readers to pass it on. I made an exception to my not participating in chain shares for this. Screen grabs of the lawsuit document have been up for nearly 24 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/272 "2020-03-27T00:58:38Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I asked for a procedure **equivalent to abortion** and you go off on stupid shit about fighting aging and other dumbass stuff. So if you were being serious and not flippant, you’re a moron. How is that for ad hominem? > > Again, seriously, giving birth is something people do all the damn time, it’s not a medical ailment that needs to be cured unless the situation carries unusual risks that warrant termination of the pregnancy. What procedure do people perform as an essential medical practice that’s equivalent to an abortion? > > I’m not a pro-lifer trying for a gotcha here. And if there is an argument that can make abortion equivalent to other accepted essential medical procedures, great, that’s an argument that can shut down those trying to inhibit a woman’s choice. I haven’t seen a serious argument, just people being cute about it. I assume because you’ve “got nothin’”, as you said. Which is a shame, I honestly hoped you had one. Why isn’t a pregnancy a medical ailment? If some disease had the exact same physiological effects of pregnancy, I’d fucking want the cure. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/273 "2020-03-27T01:10:25Z")
“I’d want the fucking cure.” FTFY 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/274 "2020-03-27T01:18:43Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > “I’d want the fucking cure.” > > FTFY 😉 I wanted to say, “take your fucking upvote”, but there are no upvotes here… so instead, I’ll just type this sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/275 "2020-03-27T02:58:46Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > “I’d want the fucking cure.” > > FTFY 😉 Heh. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/276 "2020-03-27T04:11:24Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/277 "2020-03-28T02:03:56Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > You personally don’t believe that abortion is basic health care? You require proof? The question was “Is abortion \*essential \*health care?” Thanks for changing the subject though. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > (wish I got back sooner so this wouldn’t look like a pile on, but he _was_ addressing me, anyway) It’s not too uncommon for life-theatening complications to occur during pregnancy, that yeah, might require an abortion. Yes, it might. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > You’d rather that women die from problem pregnancies because abortions have been deemed non-essential? How about rape victims who got pregnant and can’t have abortions because it’s non-essential? No, I’d rather not that. Elective abortions are not _essential_ > [@asahi](#): > > Christ, just don’t fucking respond. > > manson’s not a troll, but he’s just not qualified to talk about this issue and let’s just accept his position as an uninformed one and move on. That’s a great attitude. Can I use that on all your “The sky is falling” posts that you make? > [@Skywatcher](#): > > Ah, so the git simply prefers women not exist in the first place except as a place to park his dick. This seems harsh, and based on nothing other than I disagree with you. > [@Broomstick](#): > > There are circumstances where continued pregnancy can kill the mother. In such cases, yes, abortions are essential health care. The fact that such circumstances are uncommon do not make them any less real. Yes such circumstance are real. Doesn’t make elective abortions “essential” health care. Unless you are using a different definition of “essential” > [@asahi](#): > > Men are in no position to talk about abortion - full stop. > > If a man wants to be part of a ground-breaking lab experiment that tries to get him pregnant and carry a child to term via a natural birth, then maybe at that time he can talk about abortion. > > Until then, I really don’t give a shit what someone with a penis has to say on the subject. This attitude seems quite sexist to me. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/278 "2020-03-28T02:24:16Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > This attitude seems quite sexist to me. Does it also seem sexist to you that you don’t have an uterus? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/279 "2020-03-28T02:28:13Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > Yes, when it comes to issues involving women there’s no point in engaging. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > Ah, so the git simply prefers women not exist in the first place except as a place to park his dick. > [@Slash1972](#): > > This seems harsh… Your lack of disagreement has been noted. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/from-the-president-of-the-united-states-we-cannot-let-the-cure-be-worse-than-the-problem-itself/850078/280 "2020-03-28T02:36:18Z")
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