# Frosty the Snowman is a sexist PIG!!!!
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Created:** [December 21, 2000, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749 "2000-12-21T20:01:51Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/1 "2000-12-21T20:01:51Z")
I’ve been trying to hunt down links on a news item since I heard a most unusual story on the radio.
Closest I could get was a small article in The Daily Telegraph.
> [@](#):
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> The snowman is sexist, out of date and should make way for snow-women, an academic claimed yesterday.
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> Dr Tricia Cusack, of Birmingham(UK) University carried out a five year study into the ‘cultural meanings’ of snowmen.She believes that they are old fashioned symbols of gender discrimination.
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> She has called for snow-women to appear on Christmas cards and wrapping paper.
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> Writing in the cultural history periodical _New Formations_ Dr Cusack described snowmen as the ‘rotund object of Bacchanalia’.They were gluttonous and indulgent and symbolised the grotesque with their portly appearance and carrot noses.
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> However she added ‘I don’t want to ban snowmen or anything, lets just be imaginative - why not have a snow-woman?’
> ‘We need to be alert to which particular images have got currency.Why is it always male and why is it so popular at Christmas?’
> ‘At least the snowman has lost his pipe as society is less geared to promoting smoking’
The part I like the most is her researching why they were so popular around Christmas, like gee, it doesn’t snow much in July now does it ?
So much education, so little learning :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/2 "2000-12-21T20:05:31Z")
Oh, yay. Makes me want to get a PhD so I can apply for grants and study meaningless tripe.
Robin
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### Author:  [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/3 "2000-12-21T20:07:55Z")
Are made by teens. They love doing the T&A thing. Maybe they are more subdued in the UK but I don’t really think so. I bet she is going for a GRANT and this is to generate a base to launch her money grab from.
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### Author:  [@rundogrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rundogrun)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/4 "2000-12-21T20:10:03Z")
Gee…where’s Calvin and Hobbes and the snow goons when you really need them?
Ok…quick impression…
**Snow woman** : “Does this snowball make my ass look big?” “Sure her boobs look great, but they’ll be slush come springtime.”
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### Author:  [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/5 "2000-12-21T20:13:50Z")
Has anyone ever tried to make snow-woman? The breasts are to hard to distinguish. When viewing from the road it just looks like a snowman. Clothing isn’t helpful because all you get is a hat and a scarf.
Ironically, snow-women appear on Christmas cards when they are in snow-families.
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### Author:  [@Simetra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simetra)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/6 "2000-12-21T20:18:05Z")
Snow Woman?
Wouldn’t she melt being next to the stove?
Oh G-d, I’m going to hell for this aren’t I? Keep in mind this is merely a fanciful jest and does not reflect the views or opinions of the poster, or my employer. It is the opinion of my employer that I should get back to work.
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### Author:  [@scratch1300](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scratch1300)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/7 "2000-12-21T20:24:22Z")
Q. What’s the difference between snow_men_ and snow_women_?
A. Snow_balls_!
😃
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### Author:  [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/8 "2000-12-21T20:46:50Z")
If anybody’s interested, here’s a link to some excerpts from Dr. Cusack’s radio interview.
[http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/discover/feats/discover\_features.shtml](http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/discover/feats/discover_features.shtml)
I liked the bit where she finds deep philosophical significance in the fact that snowmen are rarely depicted alongside Joseph or the Wise Men. You don’t think the climate in the Middle East might have something to do with that?
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### Author:  [@Ceejaytee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ceejaytee)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/9 "2000-12-21T20:54:18Z")
She’s beautiful, she’s snowy and she’s apparently taken…she’s [SnowWoman](http://home.earthlink.net/~ajferrara/snow.htm)
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### Author:  [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/10 "2000-12-21T20:54:25Z")
I suspect Dr. Tricia Cusack has been reading WAY too much Camille Paglia.
Let a REAL feminist through, so I can encase Trish and Camille in snow and make a couple of “snowjerks” for all to enjoy! “Stick a pipe in 'er pie-hole!”
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### Author:  [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/11 "2000-12-21T20:59:24Z")
I’m of the opinion that “snowmen” are asexual, or no sex if I used the wrong word there.
As such, they should be called “snowpersons”.
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### Author:  [@Totoro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Totoro)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/12 "2000-12-21T21:01:59Z")
I’ve seen picture of Snowwomen ever since I was a little kid, what the F\*\*\* is that lady talkin bout? They’re all over the christmas cards I get…
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### Author:  [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/13 "2000-12-21T22:16:43Z")
Yeah! And why does Santa get to fly around the world while Mrs. Claus has to stay at home and take care of the elves?
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/14 "2000-12-21T22:41:04Z")
You can make a snowwoman. Just get a flowered straw hat, a floral scarf and make eye lashes from twigs.
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### Author:  [@lolagranola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lolagranola)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/15 "2000-12-21T23:24:27Z")
I find it hard to sculpt a uterus. I’ll have to make snowpersons instead.
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### Author:  [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/16 "2000-12-21T23:36:26Z")
[Here’s a snow woman](http://www.ilovebacon.com/jokes/120800c.shtml), but she’s outnumbered.
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### Author:  [@Frannie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frannie)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2000, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/17 "2000-12-21T23:44:39Z")
Cute. 🙂 I refer to them all as “snow people.” My second graders asked me why, so I asked _them_, “Well, can _you_ tell whether they’re male or female?” They giggled (a _lot_) and the subject was dropped. They kids now refer to them as “snow people” – no more questions asked.
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### Author:  [@Welfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Welfy)
#### Post date: [December 22, 2000, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/18 "2000-12-22T00:47:03Z")
It’s hard making snow-women. The boobies always fall off. ☹
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### Author:  [@dpr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dpr)
#### Post date: [December 22, 2000, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/19 "2000-12-22T00:58:58Z")
But if we made snow-women complete with breasts and curves wouldn’t we be objectifyting women by reducing them to physical characteristics and defining them by sexuality. Then WE’D be sexist pigs.
```auto
1911: Mona Lisa stolen, Planes used for the first time in a military capacity (Italy over Turkey incidentally), 1st African American Policeman in NY
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### Author:  [@Welfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Welfy)
#### Post date: [December 22, 2000, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/frosty-the-snowman-is-a-sexist-pig/46749/20 "2000-12-22T01:14:10Z")
> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by dpr \*
> \*\*But if we made snow-women complete with breasts and curves wouldn’t we be objectifyting women by reducing them to physical characteristics and defining them by sexuality. Then WE’D be sexist pigs.
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> ```auto
> 1911: Mona Lisa stolen, Planes used for the first time in a military capacity (Italy over Turkey incidentally), 1st African American Policeman in NY **
>
> ```
“Just look at that snow-women! Look how thin and anorexic-looking she is! Is that what you men like, little stick figure women!? What about the others??”
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