# FTR: Ephebophilia != pedophilia **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 29, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914 "2014-08-29T23:02:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2014, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/41 "2014-08-30T23:04:34Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I do think 16 is a more reasonable age of consent than what we have now. Um, it’s exactly what we have now (or close too it) in most states. 18 as a strict age of consent is not the norm. 18 is the age for models in pornography. Since enough adults get exploited in that industry I can’t see it as beneficial to allow juveniles to do it. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/42 "2014-08-31T14:58:10Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Juvenile sex jokes? Really? Juvenile jokes about sex, or jokes about juvenile sex? I am perplexed. Alos, what about hebephilia? That also exists. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/43 "2014-08-31T15:44:18Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > Aside from being inactive for at least a dozen years, the site you linked to seems to be set up so as to be useful, deliberately or not, to sex tourits—men who travel to other countries in hopes of having sex with kids who would be too young to legally have sex with here in the U.S. Does being bothered by that concept make me a “misandrist, neo-Puritan weirdo”? The Wiki pages on AOC are updated more frequently, very little seems to have changed. The AOC in US states varies wildly: > **[Age of consent in North America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America)** > > In North America, the legal age of consent relating to sexual activity outside of marriage varies by jurisdiction. > The age of consent in Canada is 16. > As of August 2018, each U.S. state has set its age of consent at either age 16, age 17, or age 18, most with some exceptions. In the case of the state of Washington, the age of consent rises to 21 for the specific instance student-teacher sex (the age of consent in the state of Washington is otherwise 16). In a number of U.S. states, the ag... Aside from the US, repressive Muslim countries have the highest AOC: > **[Age of consent in Asia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia)** > > The legal age of consent for sexual activity varies by jurisdiction across Asia. The specific activity engaged in or the gender of participants can also be relevant factors. Below is a discussion of the various laws dealing with this subject. The highlighted age refers to an age at or above which an individual can engage in unfettered sexual relations with another who is also at or above that age. Other variables, such as homosexual relations or close in age exceptions, may exist, and are noted... > **[Age of consent in Africa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Africa)** > > The age of consent in Africa for sexual activity varies by jurisdiction across the continent, codified in laws which may also stipulate the specific activities that are permitted or the gender of participants for different ages. Other variables may exist, such as close-in-age exemptions. > Six nations in Africa (Benin, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, Ivory Coast, Niger and Madagascar) have a higher age of consent for same-sex sexual relations than opposite-sex ones; every other Af... > **[Age of consent in Oceania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Oceania)** > > The ages of consent for sexual activity vary from age 15 to 18 across Australia, New Zealand and other parts of Oceania. The specific activity and the gender of its participants is also addressed by the law. The minimum age is the age at or above which an individual can engage in unfettered sexual relations with another person of minimum age. Close in age exceptions may exist and are noted where applicable. In Vanuatu the homosexual age of consent is set higher at 18, while the heterosexual a... 15 - 16 is pretty much the rule in South America. Are they all crazy, or pedophile enablers? > **[Age of consent in South America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America)** > > The age of consent for sexual activity refers to an age at or above which an individual can engage in unfettered sexual relations with another who is of the same age or older. This age varies by jurisdiction across South America, codified in laws which may also stipulate the specific activities that are permitted or the gender of participants for different ages. Other variables may exist, such as close-in-age exemptions. > In South America, the only country where male same-sex sexual conduct is... Women do sex tourism too. Not acknowledging this is indeed misandrist. [http://travel.ninemsn.com.au/holidaytype/weird/7942963/cougar-prowl-female-sex-tourism-hotspots](http://travel.ninemsn.com.au/holidaytype/weird/7942963/cougar-prowl-female-sex-tourism-hotspots) Overall, most people in the 15-16 year age group are sexually active, and it’s a mistake to criminalize normal, routine human behavior. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/44 "2014-08-31T15:46:27Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I’m fine with you fucking a teenager, just so it’s _your_ teenager. Keep these things in-family, k? Thats a unique viewpoint if I have ever seen one! Remember people, fuck your own kids please! ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/45 "2014-08-31T16:10:16Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > I’ll note that I’m in favor of Romeo-and-Juliet laws, but also cite this - > > …If you’re an adult and **prefer** teen partners, that is pretty messed up. I agree with this. If I knew someone who exculsively or near exclusively got in sexual relationships with fifteen year olds and lost interest in women once the hit eighteen or so, I would consider that seriously creepy. No point in comparing it to being attracted to pre teens, but the behavior would be creepy enough that I would avoid the person pretty absolutely. This is nothing at all like sometimes thinking a given sixteen year old is hot, and it’s as silly to lump these things as it is to lump being attracted to children and teens. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/46 "2014-08-31T16:52:23Z")
The problem with sex involving young people is ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY that they are in a position of such severely limited power compared to that of older people (especially adults but not limited to adults) that consent isn’t something that can be reasonably spoken of and ascertained. It is NOT a problem because “they are too young to have sexual feelings”. Or are “not old enough to have a sex drive”. Yeesh, weren’t you folks ever kids? Are you seriously going to claim that you didn’t have sexual feelings when you were a young kid? ---
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/47 "2014-08-31T16:53:06Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > You’re right that lusting after 15 year olds isn’t as bad as lusting after 5 year olds. Lusting after, by itself, isn’t bad. Acting on it is. People do not necessarily choose their cravings. Have some sympathy for people who can’t help but crave that which is prohibited. Have no sympathy for those who would act on it. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/48 "2014-08-31T16:54:57Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > The problem with sex involving young people is ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY that they are in a position of such severely limited power compared to that of older people (especially adults but not limited to adults) that consent isn’t something that can be reasonably spoken of and ascertained. > > It is NOT a problem because “they are too young to have sexual feelings”. Or are “not old enough to have a sex drive”. Yeesh, weren’t you folks ever kids? Are you seriously going to claim that you didn’t have sexual feelings when you were a young kid? RAISES HAND Granted I am a real weirdo and outlier, but I cannot remember having even an inkling of a sexual feeling before say…maybe 13-14? ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/49 "2014-08-31T17:11:06Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > Also note that, according to Wikipedia (not that that’s the last word), “Ephebophilia is the **primary or exclusive** adult sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19. … Ephebophilia strictly denotes the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction” (bolding mine). I’m not sure what the psychological implications are of an adult who’s _only_ attracted to teenagers, but it gives me pause. That seems like a weird definition, because it conflates people who are above the age of consent and can legally date/sleep with whoever they like (18-19 year olds) with people who aren’t (15-17 year olds). Someone could be a sexually active ephebophile and never break American laws if they confined themselves to the high end of the range. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/50 "2014-08-31T17:16:04Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > No. It does not. > There is rampant speculation among people who think the issue is relevant to anything, but the RCC has not made a declaration regarding Mary’s age at the time of her pregnancy. There is at least one apocryphal book that gives her age as 14, but it is not scripture and is not held to be authoritative on the topic. If you’re referring to the Infancy Gospel of James, I’m looking at it right now and it says Mary was 16 at the time. As you point out, the Infancy Gospel (while it’s certainly been influential among Christians) isn’t scripture and isn’t held to be inerrant. I think Orthodox have a higher view of it than Roman Catholics, but they don’t hold it to be scripture either. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/51 "2014-08-31T17:25:07Z")
**Belowjob 2.0** this is pretty interesting, from your link (it’s from the Venezuelan legal code): “The sexual acts performed upon a woman older than sixteen (16) years and younger than twenty-one (21), with her consent, are punishable if there was seduction with the promise of marriage and the women was known to be honest, in such case the penalty is six months to one year in prison.” Venezuela also apparently punishes statutory rape more severely if the victim was previously a virgin. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/52 "2014-08-31T17:39:14Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > **Belowjob 2.0** this is pretty interesting, from your link (it’s from the Venezuelan legal code): > > “The sexual acts performed upon a woman older than sixteen (16) years and younger than twenty-one (21), with her consent, are punishable if there was seduction with the promise of marriage and the women was known to be honest, in such case the penalty is six months to one year in prison.” > > Venezuela also apparently punishes statutory rape more severely if the victim was previously a virgin. Interesting. I see that I left out the link to Europe’s AOC’s. > **[Age of consent in Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe)** > > The age of consent for sex outside of marriage varies by jurisdiction across Europe. The age of consent – hereby meaning the age from which one is deemed able to consent to having sex with anyone else of consenting age or above – varies between 14 and 18. The majority of countries set their ages in the range of 14 to 16; only four countries, Cyprus (17), Ireland (17), Turkey (18), and the Vatican City (18), set an age of consent higher than 16. > The highlighted age is that from which a young p... Spain’s AOC is batshit fucking insane: > **[Age of consent in Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Spain)** > > The age of consent for sex outside of marriage varies by jurisdiction across Europe. The age of consent – hereby meaning the age from which one is deemed able to consent to having sex with anyone else of consenting age or above – varies between 14 and 18. The majority of countries set their ages in the range of 14 to 16; only four countries, Cyprus (17), Ireland (17), Turkey (18), and the Vatican City (18), set an age of consent higher than 16. > The highlighted age is that from which a young p... ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/53 "2014-08-31T17:42:49Z")
[http://www.today.com/id/43909060/ns/today-today\_news/t/hes-labeled-sex-offender-sleeping-his-own-wife/#.VANeN2Ni8mE](http://www.today.com/id/43909060/ns/today-today_news/t/hes-labeled-sex-offender-sleeping-his-own-wife/#.VANeN2Ni8mE) > [@](#): > > And today, after 15 years and four daughters with his high school sweetheart, the 34-year-old suburban father still wears the modern-day equivalent of the Scarlet Letter. Friends, neighbors or parents in his hometown of Caldwell, Texas, can go online to view the public sex offender registry and see his name alongside those of rapists, child molesters and child pornographers. His teenage love for his future wife, Nikki, is classified in a much less romantic way — sexual assault of a child. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/54 "2014-08-31T20:09:55Z")
Y’know, thinking about it, one didn’t need to be an _anything_"-phile" to get aroused by 1984-era Traci Lords. Just a heterosexual male with a pulse and a taste for porn. I say that having been a lawful customer at the video rental places at the time TL’s complete ouvre was on the shelves. That was no “child” and her presentation or casting did not seek to project her as juvenile other than the usual “schoolgirl/cheerleader” scenarios that all porn girls 18 to 30 would do at one point or another. > [@protoboard](#): > > Yeah I don’t think finding a 16 or 17 year old girl attractive in a purely physical sense is pathological in any way. Physically speaking they are all woman. > [@RealityChuck](#): > > There are reasonable social reasons for limiting sex between adults and teens (adults may be in a position of power, and the teens are not usually emotionally equipped to deal with the complexities of a sexual relationship), but the law tend to make blanket terms and it’s up to the prosecutor to determine what should be prosecuted, so things are applied unevenly. Exactly – there is no need to try and create a pathology-based equivalency-of-horror all the way down to the level of thoughts and feelings, when you can legislate certain restrictions against \*actual behavior \*on a rational sociological-impact and ethical basis. So, hot 15-year-old is hot? Fine. Right on, hell yeah. Just stand back, admire from a safe distance and think happy dirty thoughts, and everyone else shut up if that’s all the person does. Otherwise, yes, take steps to deter the parties from doing something stupid, if necessary pass laws saying “hands off the under-16s if more that 4 years age gap”. > [@Loach](#): > > Um, it’s exactly what we have now (or close too it) in most states. 18 as a strict age of consent is not the norm. 18 is the age for models in pornography. Since enough adults get exploited in that industry I can’t see it as beneficial to allow juveniles to do it. Yes, that is another part that gets confused. AoC for regular, private sex is 16 for a majority of states of the US. The base age for _sex work_ – porn performers, legalized prostitution where it exists – has been 18 for decades. A divergence in ages of allowed responsibility is not abnormal, after all you can work for wages (with parental consent) at 14, be licensed to drive at 16, join the Army with parental permission at 17, marry/buy property/work/enlist \*without \*parental consent at 18, drink alcohol at 21. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/55 "2014-08-31T20:57:32Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > The problem with sex involving young people is ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY that they are in a position of such severely limited power compared to that of older people (especially adults but not limited to adults) that consent isn’t something that can be reasonably spoken of and ascertained. Nope. That is one very important reason. Probably the single most important reason. It is an act that they do not have the necessary power to resist and reject. It is predatory. But it isn’t the only, exclusive reason. > [@](#): > > It is NOT a problem because “they are too young to have sexual feelings”. Or are “not old enough to have a sex drive”. Yeesh, weren’t you folks ever kids? Are you seriously going to claim that you didn’t have sexual feelings when you were a young kid? Disagree. That young children aren’t physically and psychologically prepared for sexuality is also a reason it shouldn’t happen. To dismiss it as “not a problem” is wrong-headed. There can be more than one good reason for something. eta: added clause to first paragraph for clarity ---
**Author:** ![gracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@gracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gracer)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/56 "2014-08-31T21:01:47Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > That seems like a weird definition, because it conflates people who are above the age of consent and can legally date/sleep with whoever they like (18-19 year olds) with people who aren’t (15-17 year olds). Someone could be a sexually active ephebophile and never break American laws if they confined themselves to the high end of the range. That makes it a perfectly fine definition, actually. The definition isn’t tailored to American laws. It concerns sexual attraction, not whether that is good or bad, legal or not. Someone could certainly be a sexually active ephebophile and never break American laws. No problem there. (Other than “ew”, but there you go.) ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/57 "2014-08-31T21:11:55Z")
> [@gracer](#): > > That makes it a perfectly fine definition, actually. The definition isn’t tailored to American laws. It concerns sexual attraction, not whether that is good or bad, legal or not. > > Someone could certainly be a sexually active ephebophile and never break American laws. No problem there. (Other than “ew”, but there you go.) But there are some important non-arbitrary ways in which 15-year olds are very different from 19-year olds. For one thing, 15-year olds are at greater risk from pregnancy than 19-year olds, and thus aren’t really sexually ‘mature’ for some definitions of ‘mature’. For another, there’s a study I remember seeing (maybe from Guttmacher, not sure) that 16 is about the threshold age at which relationships with substantially older people are no longer associated with an elevated risk of some negative indicators like depression, poor school performance, etc… So I think there’s decent reason not to put ‘attraction to 15-year olds’ and ‘attraction to 19-year olds’ in the same box. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/58 "2014-08-31T23:28:38Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Overall, most people in the 15-16 year age group are sexually active, and it’s a mistake to criminalize normal, routine human behavior. I got the impression from the title and OP that this thread was about Ephebophilia, i.e. _adults_ lusting after teenagers. I’m not sure myself exactly what the age-of-consent laws should be, but I don’t really have a problem with 15-year-olds being off-limits to 45-year-olds. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Sheikh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Sheikh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Sheikh)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/59 "2014-09-01T16:32:07Z")
I feel good about the way Islamic law deals with this dilemma. Firstly, age is irrelevant in this issue, because it is biologically irrelevant. Different girls mature at different ages. So, the first condition of having sex is biological maturity which is an obvious natural indication of readiness. The second condition is “parent’s consent”. It is important because it is not only biological readiness that matters. Emotional maturity is also important and who can better assess that than a parent. This condition prevents strangers from exploiting young girls who might unwisely agree at the moment but regret it the rest of their lives. Finally, of course the consent of the girl is the last condition. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914/60 "2014-09-01T16:47:30Z")
> [@The\_Sheikh](#): > > I feel good about the way Islamic law deals with this dilemma. Firstly, age is irrelevant in this issue, because it is biologically irrelevant. Different girls mature at different ages. So, the first condition of having sex is biological maturity which is an obvious natural indication of readiness. The second condition is “parent’s consent”. It is important because it is not only biological readiness that matters. Emotional maturity is also important and who can better assess that than a parent. This condition prevents strangers from exploiting young girls who might unwisely agree at the moment but regret it the rest of their lives. Finally, of course the consent of the girl is the last condition. NYTimes-[Struggling to Keep Afghan Girl Safe After a Mullah Is Accused of Rape](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/world/asia/struggling-to-keep-afghan-girl-safe-after-a-mullah-is-accused-of-rape.html?_r=1) > [@](#): > > It was bad enough that the alleged rape took place in the sanctity of a mosque, and that the accused man was a mullah who invoked the familiar defense that it had been consensual sex. > > But the victim was only 10 years old. And there was more: The authorities said her family members openly planned to carry out an “honor killing” in the case — against the young girl. The mullah offered to marry his victim instead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ftr-ephebophilia-pedophilia/696914.md?page=4)