# Fuck 9/11 Observances **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510 "2021-09-11T12:31:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/61 "2021-09-11T23:24:31Z")
I can’t imagine how upset you must be by America’s drone terror campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/62 "2021-09-11T23:28:17Z")
“Give it ‘em back” cried the East End. And so they did. More than was needed to end the war. No, I’m no fan of gratuitous cruelty. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/63 "2021-09-11T23:28:34Z")
Way to troll. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/64 "2021-09-11T23:31:55Z")
I agree especially when one studies the science behind our bombing campaign. But the difference imo is that without the 9/11 attacks we would not have become involved militarily in the ME and there would have been no drone attacks. However, there were terror attacks against the USA before 9/11 (the first WTC attack, USS Cole, the Embassy attacks). So imo our response was somewhat measured and logical as the attacks were getting bigger and more frequent. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/65 "2021-09-11T23:45:50Z")
Is it trolling because you don’t have an answer? We killed multitudes more civilians as a response to 9/11 than were killed that day. Why is what we did different? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/66 "2021-09-11T23:48:10Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > He used nerve gas against the Kurds [Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack) . An event that happened in March 1988, when Reagan was president. But for some reason, you believe this was a basis for Bush to invade Iraq in March 2003, some 15 years hence. What a tool. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/67 "2021-09-12T00:00:19Z")
Apparently, it’s trolling to make that point. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/68 "2021-09-12T00:12:51Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > It’s not a contest. And Remember: _No Wagering_ ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/69 "2021-09-12T00:13:47Z")
The sick thing about the Halabja gas attacks is that we blamed Iran despite having zero proof and knowing that the attacks most likely originated from within Iraq. The forensic assessments suggested that the attacks were from Sarin, which Iraq had and Iran did not. But wait, it gets better: not only did we know that Iraq gassed his own people; we helped Saddam gas Iranians. > **[Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran](https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/)** > > The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand. ETA: looks like @madmonk28 already ninja’d me on this. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/70 "2021-09-12T00:15:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > ETA: looks like @madmonk28 already ninja’d me on this. He did. 😉 But it’s such a good point, worth making twice. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/71 "2021-09-12T00:20:42Z")
I will say this kinda, sorta in defense of @madsircool. The reality is, we live in a predatory world. There are probably always going to be apex predators. That doesn’t necessarily justify all that is done in our names, but we’re a multi-ton bull in a China closet and we’re gonna break shit from time to time. And eventually, our power will wane - it is now, I think. And I think China will be breaking shit in the America closet before too long. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/72 "2021-09-12T00:22:16Z")
I think we believe too much of our own bullshit. Which is the larger point of this thread, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/73 "2021-09-12T00:26:01Z")
Which is why we shouldn’t use commemorative ceremonies and statues to teach history. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/74 "2021-09-12T00:35:20Z")
No, let’s make revenge a major driver of foreign policy. Lord knows it’s made Sardinia the envy of all nations. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/75 "2021-09-12T00:45:16Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > 9/11 was the JonBenét Ramsey of national tragedies. It was sad an tragic, but not worth the media hype it received. I might, _might_ be more inclined to agree if it weren’t for the Pentagon. I’m not sure how foreign attacks with casualties on a federal government (military!) building on home soil isn’t “worthy of hype,” whatever that may mean to you. This seems to be the stuff of which serious hype with world-shaking consequences are made, exceptions like “Remember the Maine” notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/76 "2021-09-12T00:59:09Z")
We started a war in Iraq first thing after 9/11? What are you talking about??? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/77 "2021-09-12T01:01:17Z")
We certainly started planning for it – probably because we had already been planning for it even before 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/78 "2021-09-12T01:05:43Z")
Of course, you don’t have a cite for any of that. (ETA, I know it’s the Pit, but still, try harder.) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/79 "2021-09-12T01:10:37Z")
And that’s when we lost Afghanistan. I was in Afghanistan and Then Iraq. I lost lots of people over the years and my inbox is filled with pleas from Afghan colleagues desperate to get out. Fuck anyone who put a “remember the troops” magnet on their SUV. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510/80 "2021-09-12T01:14:35Z")
You can read this summary of “Plan of Attack” by Bob Woodward - this meets the “cite” requirement for now. > **[plan\_of\_attack\_e\_02.pdf](https://www.economist.com/media/globalexecutive/plan_of_attack_e_02.pdf)** > > 293.37 KB [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-9-11-observances/950510.md?page=5)