# Fuck Alberta **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564 "2021-02-23T16:48:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/88 "2021-03-20T08:11:21Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Yes, the NEP was problematic with [“Alberta [being] the sole overall net contributor to the federal government, and all other provinces enjoyed being net recipients [from '80 - '85]”, (and got repealed a little too slowly by Mulroney), ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program) but the reason Canada imports oil instead of getting it from Alberta is because it costs refiners less to import foreign oil than to use domestic product, taking into account transportation restraints and processing capability. > [More here.](https://www.aboutpipelines.com/en/blog/why-does-canada-import-foreign-oil/) That was my point. The NEP expected Alberta to sell oil at a cheaper price to Canadians than what they could buy internationally. Okay, how about the reverse now that Alberta isn’t allowed to compete internationally anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/89 "2021-03-20T15:15:24Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > That was my point No kidding - I just figured you couldn’t be arsed to explain something that 99.9% dopers would doubtfully know, so - you’re welcome. To your other point, I thought I made clear: > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > [B]ut the reason Canada imports oil instead of getting it from Alberta is because it costs refiners less to import foreign oil than to use domestic product, taking into account transportation restraints and processing capability. > [More here.](https://www.aboutpipelines.com/en/blog/why-does-canada-import-foreign-oil/) Sure, a little difficult to compete under those conditions. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/90 "2021-03-20T15:31:27Z")
The Canadian taxpayer bought you a pipeline already. Do you want us to buy you a refinery as well? Anything else you want the government to buy you while you bitch about socialism? ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/91 "2021-03-20T16:15:04Z")
I know the Canadian figure skater Kurt Browning’s father (grandfather?) was from Oklahoma. I then heard that a lot of Albertans were Oklahoman and Texan immigrants. This was ages ago, so I can’t remember where I heard it. Is it true? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/92 "2021-03-20T16:20:20Z")
Because of the connections due to American oil company interests in Calgary, there was (is?) a lot of business travel between Texas and Alberta. This may have led to more than average immigration from oil states to Alberta. I don’t think it was significant though. Certainly not very noticeable. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/93 "2021-03-20T16:22:21Z")
2019, it looks like there were attempts by Texas to draw more Albertans to their state. > **[‘We’ve got open doors’: Texas lures Western Canadian businesses south |...](https://globalnews.ca/news/5935884/texas-canada-alberta-canadian-businesses-brochures/?utm_expid=.kz0UD5JkQOCo6yMqxGqECg.0&utm_referrer=)** > > Texas realtor Robert Graham says 15,000 brochures have been delivered in Alberta, Saskatchewan and British Columbia so far, enticing businesses with a \`BOOMING'' economy, tax incentives and ranch-style properties. Another 50,000 brochures are coming. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/94 "2021-03-20T17:01:39Z")
Thanks, E\_P. Interesting. Kind of a synergy between the two. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/95 "2021-03-20T17:06:45Z")
Uncanny similarities between Texas and Alberta - cowboys and oil. Conservative voters in the rural areas and the big cities, except for a very liberal Capital (Austin and Edmonton). ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/96 "2021-03-20T17:55:53Z")
The only big difference between Alberta and Texas is Alberta is a lot friendlier to the United States. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/97 "2021-03-20T18:04:29Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > Alberta is a lot friendlier to the United States. 👍🏼🤣🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/98 "2021-03-20T19:00:36Z")
Also, Alberta differs from Texas since, _up to this point_, it has never been part of Mexico. However, I believe it is only a matter of time before this happens. After all, I have discovered a way to turn enchiladas into gas. Unfortunately, such technical secrets cannot yet be revealed in public, and I refuse to spill the beans. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/99 "2021-03-20T23:35:00Z")
I can tell you that most people from desert dry Alberta will not like humidity around Houston. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/100 "2021-03-21T13:34:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The Canadian taxpayer bought you a pipeline already. Do you want us to buy you a refinery as well? Anything else you want the government to buy you while you bitch about socialism? Albertans are Canadian taxpayers. In case you’ve forgotten (or care). Socialism? Who’s bitching about socialism? Other than you, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/101 "2021-03-21T15:23:24Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Albertans are Canadian taxpayers. In case you’ve forgotten (or care). I’ll take “posters who are too fucking stupid to understand the point for 100” Alex. The Federal Government, using funds from every taxpayer in the country bought a pipeline to plactate the Alberta whiners. > Socialism? Who’s bitching about socialism? Other than you, that is.Socialism? Who’s bitching about socialism? Other than you, that is. Have you been to rural Alberta? Do you know anyone from there? Because I do, and the main topics of conversation are: 1. The weather 2. How godless socialism (created by Trudeau) is going to ruin the country 3. How Alberta is treated soooo unfairly by everyone ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/102 "2021-05-11T19:53:33Z")
[Corbella - The best thing for Canada would be to shut down line 5 pipeline just for a while](https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/corbella-the-best-thing-for-canada-would-be-to-shut-down-line-5-pipeline-just-for-a-while) > What’s best for Canada is energy self-sufficiency and security, and that’s simply impossible without pipelines. Shutting down this vital energy lifeline, even temporarily, would provide a collective slap to the lives and livelihoods of Ontarians and Quebecers — along with their pandering politicians — that would help jolt them out of their anti-pipeline dreamland and into reality. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/103 "2021-05-11T21:40:20Z")
Between the hack on the Colonial pipelibe and Whitmer demanding Line 5 be shut down, the east coast of Canada and the US may be about to get the pipeline-restricted energy policy they’ve been demanding. Let us know how you like it. i understand gas is already in short supply. Also, it’s nice to see that the Diversity and Inclusion folks can be intolerant parochial assholes like everyone else when they find the right people to hate. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/104 "2021-05-11T22:53:31Z")
Pipelines are fine. I don’t think Upper Canadians are the ones threatening to shut it down. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/105 "2021-05-12T11:53:56Z")
Ah, there’s the classic, “Freeze in the Dark” refrain we’ve not heard for so long. Of course, it sounded better when Alberta itself wasn’t such an economic basket case. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/106 "2021-05-12T12:34:23Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Honestly, I think it’s the other way around. Yes, Alberta is Canada’s Texas, but they mostly appear to be crazy because of the extent to which they’ve single-mindedly tried to advance their archaic fossil fuel economy, denied climate change, decried environmentalism, and supported the crazy political parties that sided with them. It’s not the whole story but it’s a big part of it. > > Whereas Quebec is more like, “Speak French, or else get out or die”. They’re more than willing to suspend the Constitution – they insisted on being able to do so – to assert this bigoted idiocy. The only reason they’re still part of Canada is that the federal government keeps throwing untold billions their way to keep them happy, mostly in the form of pork projects. The absolutely fanatic hostility here is really quite something to behold. Even for the Pit this is disturbing. > [@wolfpup](#): > > The major car manufacturers plan to stop making gasoline powered cars altogether within less than 15 years. This will not happen. ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564/107 "2021-05-12T21:35:29Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The absolutely fanatic hostility here is really quite something to behold. Even for the Pit this is disturbing. Well, that’s @wolfpup for you. If you’ve been paying attention to their posts, you weren’t surprised. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-alberta/933564.md?page=4)