# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/241 "2025-06-23T16:32:43Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m really curious about your math, since Hamas has killed far more people than Iran so far. To be fair, Iran is a major supporter of Hamas so, I think, it is not wrong to say whoever Hamas has killed counts as Iran killed them. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/242 "2025-06-23T16:50:15Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > establishing Israel as the region’s unchallenged hegemonic power. “the region’s unchallenged hegemonic power” to do what exactly? Exact tribute? Install puppet governments? Extend the Israeli homeland from the Nile delta to the Arabian Sea? As far as I can see Israel wants “unchallenged hegemonic power” mainly to guarantee that its citizens aren’t in danger of being summarily murdered. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/243 "2025-06-23T16:53:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s not about sympathy for Iran - it’s about lying, malevolent idiots like Netanyahu and Trump making snap decisions based on domestic politics and without real long-term thinking Not arguing that. In fact I say as much upthread. But I don’t particularly care much if Iran gets smashed flat either. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/244 "2025-06-23T16:55:29Z")
According to social media, IAEA is reporting no increase in radiation at Iran’s nuclear sites. If true, this would seem to indicate either everything was moved in advance, or the attacks didn’t penetrate far enough to do real damage. Either case would seem to be a failure, AFAICT. And if these attacks failed, then what next? > **[George Conway 👊🇺🇸🔥 (@gtconway.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/gtconway.bsky.social/post/3lsbzqmjhsk2v)** Further, if these attacks did fail, is anyone surprised that attacks planned and organized by Netanyahu and Trump failed to accomplish their goal? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/245 "2025-06-23T16:56:15Z")
I think you’ll care if there are deadly unintended consequences. Do you really think that’s unlikely? ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/246 "2025-06-23T16:56:43Z")
As an American, I hold American politicians to a higher standard. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/247 "2025-06-23T16:56:55Z")
This is kinda interesting. Whether the clock was destroyed or not it shows Iran’s commitment to the destruction of Israel (in case there was any doubt on that matter left): Full Title: **What is Israel Doomsday Clock and is it still running or destroyed? Here’s when Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei predicted Israel would no longer exist** > **[What is Israel Doomsday Clock and is it still running or destroyed? Here’s...](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/what-is-israel-doomsday-clock-and-is-it-still-running-or-destroyed-heres-when-irans-supreme-leader-ayatollah-ali-khamenei-predicted-israel-would-no-longer-exist/articleshow/122029655.cms?from=mdr)** > > Israel carried out multiple airstrikes on regime-linked targets in Tehran, including the IRGC, Evin Prison, and an Israel Doomsday clock. Israel said the attacks were aimed at weakening Iran's internal security forces. Iran responded by denying some... (You can Google for more sources on this same story.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/248 "2025-06-23T16:57:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Team America: World Police! Make the Aughts Great Again! > > Brought to you by Netanyahu and Trump! Surely nothing can go wrong! > > Warmongers, unite! Unite for Trump and Netanyahu! Together we can bomb our way to a peaceful world! Speaking of Team America: > **[Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lsbupbnvhm22)** > > Ernst: "It truly is Team America." ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/249 "2025-06-23T17:14:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m really curious about your math, since Hamas has killed far more people than Iran so far. The war against Hamas has been going on a couple years, and in fact the IDF has killed far more Gazans - Hamas and otherwise - than Hamas has killed Israelis. I realize you have a bias, an understandable one, but surely you are aware that one side has suffered far more death and destruction than the other? Meanwhile, Iran v. Israel has only been going on a couple days. Although, since Iran just attacked a US base in Qatar, that “score” could change drastically in the next day or so. > [@Lumpy](#): > > As far as I can see Israel wants “unchallenged hegemonic power” mainly to guarantee that its citizens aren’t in danger of being summarily murdered. There is a fringe group in Israel who want to establish a Jew-only “Greater Israel”, but that’s probably on par with Americans who think _The Turner Diaries_ is a good idea. The key thing is not to permit that sort of whacko to ever get an upper hand. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > According to social media, IAEA is reporting no increase in radiation at Iran’s nuclear sites. > > If true, this would seem to indicate either everything was moved in advance, or the attacks didn’t penetrate far enough to do real damage. Or, since uranium is heavier than lead, it was all far enough underground that the mountain contained it. Frankly, I don’t have much confidence in any reports about damage to the “Three Nuclear Facilities” at this point regardless of which way they’re pointing. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/250 "2025-06-23T17:26:23Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Although, since Iran just attacked a US base in Qatar, that “score” could change drastically in the next day or so. Yeah. This is going swimmingly: > **[Watch live: Iran attacks US air base in Qatar](https://www.fox6now.com/news/iran-attacks-al-udeid-air-base-qatar)** > > Iran has attacked Al Udeid Air Base, a key U.S. facility in the Mideast, just days after the U.S. carried out a surprise attack on three of Iran’s nuclear sites.  Thank Og there are massive tax cuts for the wealthy, and dramatic cuts to services for the poor, afoot. It all worked out so well for Bush the Younger, and for the economy, and for the rest of us, and for the world. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/251 "2025-06-23T17:48:12Z")
> [@DETXL](#): > > Possibly, but not for the United States. Then why did the U.S. and U.K. topple the Mosadeqq regime on August 19 1951? After his government nationalised the British oil industry? What? say you. That was almost 75 years ago, and the U.S. is a net exporter of oil. But this isn’t about now. This is all a result of reaping what you sowed. The rich countries in the world fucked over MENA since at least the late 19th century. When they had the means to overthrow their colonial masters they did, which the former colonial masters didn’t like very much. They’ve been fucking around in the area ever since and I’m believe that peace will only - if ever - come to the Middle East when the oil wells in the area is empty. The Levant, being the crossroad of three continents, has basically had wars for almost 3000 years, so lack of oil might not clear the way for peace. But maybe the big bullies will stay out. Remember that one reason the rulers of Britain looked favourably on settling Ashkenazi in Palestine in the late 19th century was to have an ally close to the Suez. But I think the U.S. is butthurt over the 444 days of hostages 46 years ago. @Whack-a-Mole May I suggest that you spend less time thinking about evil Muslims attacking the United States, 24-style (and countless other crappy movies and tv shows) and more time studying politics and history. No need to go all Jack Bauer. You’ll sleep better at night. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/252 "2025-06-23T18:02:40Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > Then why did the U.S. and U.K. topple the Mosadeqq regime on August 19 1951? The nittiest of nitpicks: 1953. For those who don’t know about this … it’s worth a quick read: > **[1953 Iranian coup d'état](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)** > > Overthrow of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh > The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the overthrow of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953. Led by the Iranian army and supported by the United States and the United Kingdom, the coup aimed at strengthening the autocratic rule of the shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after its government refused to concede to weste... It’s the old “why is _our_ oil under _your_ sand” meme. That train ain’t never late. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/253 "2025-06-23T18:18:17Z")
Interesting that this is all the West reaping what it sowed, but in no way is Iran’s use of proxies to attack Israel over the last 40 years blowing up in _its_ face an example of Iran reaping what _they_ sowed. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/254 "2025-06-23T18:24:35Z")
The West’s actions are _why_ the sort of people who support terrorist campaigns are in charge of Iran in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/255 "2025-06-23T18:33:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The West’s actions are _why_ the sort of people who support terrorist campaigns are in charge of Iran in the first place Yes, you’ve made it very clear that you believe that only white people have agency, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/256 "2025-06-23T18:56:19Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Yes, you’ve made it very clear that you believe that only white people have agency, thank you. It has nothing to do with"white people" or “agency”. It has everything to do with colonialist powers turning the whole region into what it is today. Including Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/257 "2025-06-23T19:08:51Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It has nothing to do with"white people" or “agency”. It has everything to do with colonialist powers turning the whole region into what it is today. Including Israel Bullshit. We both know that when you say ‘Colonialist Powers’ you really mean ‘White People’. Somehow, the various Persian dynasties, the Ottomans, and the Caliphates never count as “Colonialist Powers”, but Israel does. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/258 "2025-06-23T19:26:26Z")
Also Israel’s Likud party covertly sold military equipment to Khomeini almost immediately after he consolidated power. Of course the US got in on the fun later with Iran-Contra. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/259 "2025-06-23T19:27:14Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > But I think the U.S. is butthurt over the 444 days of hostages 46 years ago. You think the US administration nowadays remember _history_? hahahahah ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/260 "2025-06-23T19:32:36Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > You think the US administration nowadays remember _history_? Yep. The set of Americans who are seething in rage over the Iran hostage crisis is a subset of the set of Americans who know about the Iran hostage crisis, which is already a very short list. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=14)