# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/461 "2025-06-27T03:00:06Z")
Of course, the past is no prognostication of the future. If we have another bubble like 1893, will our glorious tech and finance bros bail out the US like J. P. Morgan did back then? Or will we recall how Pearl Harbor pulled the economy up, up, up (which happened not at all after the Tonkin Gulf nor 9/11) and launch another war? @crowmanyclouds I guess you’ve read further about [General Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_H._Smith) and Frederick Funston? Even worse than that [psycho SEAL](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gallagher_(Navy_SEAL)) who Trump pardoned. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/462 "2025-06-27T08:16:50Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > When has launching a war to unify the nation and divert attention from domestic problems ever been successful? The Falklands war got Thatcher reelected. It was started by the Argentine Junta, but she didn’t have to respond with military force. Didn’t go so well for the Junta, of course. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/463 "2025-06-27T09:47:55Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Somewhere, the Neocons are smiling – to the extent that they physically _can._ Heh. Thanks for a moment of levity in an otherwise (justifiably) bleak thread. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/464 "2025-06-27T16:56:36Z")
Nice to see you again, **tomndebb!** ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/465 "2025-06-27T17:56:38Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > It was started by the Argentine Junta, but she didn’t have to respond with military force. Short of abandoning the English-speaking inhabitants of the islands to a regime that was busily “[disappearing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War)” people, what was the alternative? Politely asking the junta to please not? Sanctions? I’m sorry but soft power is often extremely limited in its effectiveness; sometimes being a “warmonger” is the only thing that other warmongers respond to. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/466 "2025-06-27T20:33:32Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Short of abandoning the English-speaking inhabitants of the islands to a regime that was busily “[disappearing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War)” people, what was the alternative? Politely asking the junta to please not? Sanctions? I’m sorry but soft power is often extremely limited in its effectiveness; sometimes being a “warmonger” is the only thing that other warmongers respond to. Give them all British citizenship and evacuate them to the UK? Maybe demand the junta give them compensation? There were no really good options, but that’s often the case. I don’t know that Thatcher really chose to fight in order to distract from domestic problems, though. From what I’ve read, she was sincerely outraged at the invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/467 "2025-06-27T21:49:26Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Give them all British citizenship and evacuate them to the UK? Maybe demand the junta give them compensation? I’m pretty sure both of those would have still required the use of military force. That said; _responding to an unprovoked attack with force_ is not being a “warmonger”. The _attacker_ is the warmonger. There’s a difference between preferring peace and being self destructive. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/468 "2025-06-28T02:39:30Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That said; _responding to an unprovoked attack with force_ is not being a “warmonger”. The _attacker_ is the warmonger. There’s a difference between preferring peace and being self destructive. I’m truly glad to hear you say that; there are some absolutists who would deny even that. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/469 "2025-06-28T09:53:01Z")
So, you’re saying that Iran would be justified in responding with force to the America’s unprovoked attack on them? ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/470 "2025-06-28T10:48:32Z")
Pretend there are two nations with grievances, nations with large militaries. They are, through diplomacy, supposedly negotiating in good faith. Suddenly one nation stops negotiating in good faith and engages in a sneak attack. The attack destroys military infrastructure and kills hundreds of people (perhaps many more). That country and its people would become incredibly angry about it. The hateful racist rhetoric might take decades to overcome, yes? December 7th, 1941 is my cite. ( This attack was a stupid move made by stupid ‘leaders’ employed inside a stupid government ) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/471 "2025-06-28T11:00:34Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > ( This attack was a stupid move made by stupid ‘leaders’ employed inside a stupid government ) Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/472 "2025-06-28T11:57:19Z")
( and every time I see your name it reminds me John Ritter is dead… and that he would be ashamed of all of us if he was still alive. BTW- That’s a hijack. And I had to explain it and draw it out because if I don’t some brain-dead idiot will say, “I don’t get it! It can’t be because I’m just stupid; it must be because he’s on drugs or alcohol. Maybe even that evil, evil pot.” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/473 "2025-06-28T13:04:38Z")
This is the pit, so I’m going to jump right into that hijack. Who is John Ritter? Does he have anything to do with RitterSport chocolate bars? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/474 "2025-06-28T13:06:55Z")
Have you met John Ritter? I love your celebrity stories! ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/475 "2025-06-28T13:17:33Z")
> [@Chad\_Sudan](#): > > Imagine the roles were reversed. > > If **Israel** – for its own religious-ideological reasons – committed itself to wiping **Iran** off the face of the earth… And if Israel simultaneously developed a nuclear program… > > Who would be responsible for what happened next? So if, for example, Israel intentionally starved Gaza and prevented aid from reach the people living there, what would be the reaction? Pieces of shit like you would cheer and the people in America who had a problem with it would be called radicals. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/476 "2025-06-28T13:22:49Z")
I’m curious…if you lived in a city that was regularly hit by rockets from a neighboring city how long would you put up with it? Really asking. > Since 2001, [Palestinian militants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_militant) have launched tens of thousands[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#cite_note-PalyRocketCounter-1)[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#cite_note-HaaretzRocketFreeCounter-2)[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#cite_note-IsraelRocketFreeCounter-3)[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#cite_note-IDFGazaRocketsCount-4) of [rocket](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket) and [mortar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortar_(weapon)) attacks on [Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) from the [Gaza Strip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) as part of the continuing [Israeli–Palestinian conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict). - [SOURCE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/477 "2025-06-28T14:06:35Z")
Two things: 1. \< points to all of US history \> 2. If that country had been actively engaged for decades in murdering your citizens and stealing their land, what would do you? Really asking. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/478 "2025-06-28T14:08:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > If that country had been actively engaged for decades in murdering your citizens and stealing their land, what would do you? Really asking. Let’s say you took someone’s land (or your dad did). They then spend the next 20+ years shooting at you. Killing a person here and there. Running over and kidnapping some of your family. How would you respond? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/479 "2025-06-28T14:11:59Z")
Why are you using the past tense for this hypothetical? Israel is still stealing Palestinian land and murdering innocent citizens. It’s not about self-defense. You okay with that? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/480 "2025-06-28T14:15:08Z")
What past tense? See the cites above. Well over 20+ years of rocket and mortar attacks. Before that were suicide bombings (busses and such). Are you telling us you’d just shrug and say you have it coming? What do you tell your children? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=25)