# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/481 "2025-06-28T14:33:05Z")
None of us here can answer “who started it”, to the violence in the Middle East, because any side can always point to something even earlier that “started it”, all the way back to the dawn of history. If there’s any relevant question in the Middle East, it’s not “Who started it?”. It might be “Was this action a justified response to what came before?”, and even there, there’s going to be a lot of answers of “no”, on a lot of sides. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/482 "2025-06-28T14:41:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > What past tense? > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > you took someone’s land (or your dad did). _That_ past tense. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/483 "2025-06-28T14:41:44Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > This is the pit, so I’m going to jump right into that hijack. Who is John Ritter? John Ritter was one of the most talented comedic actors of our age. He won Emmys, Golden Globes, People’s Choice awards, and Screen Actor’s Guild awards. He was, by everyone who knew him, not just funny but a good human being (which is the reason I brought him up). TL;DR He was a Good human being and if he was still here, he’d be ashamed of all this BS. You can Google him if you like. Or do you suddenly know of John Ritter? If so, were you lying then or are you lying now? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/484 "2025-06-28T14:43:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > _That_ past tense. I’m willing to bet you live on land that was someone elses in the past. Is it ok if they shoot rockets at you? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/485 "2025-06-28T14:48:02Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I’m willing to bet you live on land that was someone elses in the past. Nope. I happen to live on land that wasn’t habitable (wasn’t even dry land) in the past. And in any case, part of my heritage is completely indigenous to where I live. I was _on the side shooting the rockets_, when we had _our_ anti-racist-colonialist fight. Don’t know what the fuck any of that poorly attempted _tu quoque_ has to do with you using the past tense, though. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/486 "2025-06-28T14:51:57Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > And in any case, part of my heritage is completely indigenous to where I live. Unless you’re an Australopithecus, your ancestors displaced other people who lived there first, just like every other group of human beings on the planet. Unless by “indigenous” you just meant “my ancestors were there when white people showed up”. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/487 "2025-06-28T14:53:17Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Don’t know what the fuck any of that poorly attempted _tu quoque_ has to do with you using the past tense, though. Not sure why you are focusing on semantics when the point is clear. Even IF you took someone’s land and even IF you agree they have a justification to shoot rockets at you and bomb you and kidnap your neighbors there is no way you will convince me that you’d be ok living with that. That you’d just hope your kids don’t die or are kidnapped because those other people have a legit grievance. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/488 "2025-06-28T14:54:29Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > You can Google him if you like. Or do you suddenly know of John Ritter? > If so, were you lying then or are you lying now? No, I’ve never heard of him before. Or if i did, i don’t recall his name. I’m bad with names. But it doesn’t ring a bell. And i don’t know many comedians, so probably, I’ve just never heard of him before. And why on earth are you accusing my of lying? And does he have anything to do with the candy bar, which is obviously what our RitterSport poster is referring to with their user name and avatar? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/489 "2025-06-28T14:59:58Z")
He (Ritter) was the guy on Three’s Company who tripped over furniture Dick Van Dyke style. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/490 "2025-06-28T15:00:36Z")
Thanks. I’ve heard of that show, but never watched it. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/491 "2025-06-28T15:02:53Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And does he have anything to do with the candy bar, which is obviously what our RitterSport poster is referring to with their user name and avatar? I’ve never heard of any such candy bar. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/492 "2025-06-28T15:07:04Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Unless you’re an Australopithecus, your ancestors displaced other people who lived there first, Part of my heritage is the first people here. _No_ other _humans_ here before us. Continuous occupation throughout. Before that, just _H. heidelbergensis_, who was not _people_. > [@Babale](#): > > just like every other group of human beings on the planet That must be news to the native Australians, Hawaiians and Māori… > [@Babale](#): > > Unless by “indigenous” you just meant “my ancestors were there when white people showed up”. No, I mean _really_ Indigenous. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Not sure why you are focusing on semantics when the point is clear. The point that was being made to you was that you placed the Israeli actions in the past and used the present for Palestinians actions, when the Israeli thefts are _very_ much ongoing. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/493 "2025-06-28T15:07:48Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > And does he have anything to do with the candy bar, which is obviously what our RitterSport poster is referring to with their user name and avatar? > > I’ve never heard of any such candy bar. I have eaten them a few times when I visited Europe. I have also found them in a World Market store. Very good! ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/494 "2025-06-28T15:13:24Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > And does he have anything to do with the candy bar, which is obviously what our RitterSport poster is referring to with their user name and avatar? > > I’ve never heard of any such candy bar. It’s a popular German brand of chocolate bar. They come in many flavors, most of them delicious. I have two of them in my cupboard right now, which i brought home from my recent trip to Germany. But they are also fairly easy to find in specialty stores in the US. The convenience store on the ground floor of the big office building i used to work in sold them, for instance. One of them is pictured in the poster’s avatar. It’s obviously what the user name is referencing. I think his is the marzipan version. Not my favorite, but popular. > **[Ritter Sport](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritter_Sport)** > > Ritter Sport is a brand of chocolate bar from the family-owned Alfred Ritter GmbH & Co. KG, which has its headquarters in Waldenbuch, Germany. The company was founded in 1912 by Clara and Alfred Eugen Ritter and has been family-owned ever since. Andreas Ronken has been the CEO since 2015. > Each 100 g (3.5 oz) square bar is divided into 16 smaller squares, creating a four-by-four pattern. In 2013 the company introduced a new version divided into 9 bigger squares using a three-by-three pattern. L... > **[Home of Ritter Sport](https://www.ritter-sport.com/)** > > For us, it doesn't take much for really good chocolate: the best ingredients, recipes reduced to the essentials, produced in harmony with people and nature. We know that chocolate can only be good if everyone involved in its production is doing well.... ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/495 "2025-06-28T15:19:50Z")
Well, I lived in Baghdad in 2006 which suffered the equivalent of a 9/11 in deaths every three weeks or so. I lost 13 people from my office. I never once thought that the extermination of an entire people would make the situation better. Does that answer your question? ETA: posts like your last one are why I think you’re a racist moron. You think you’ve stumbled on some kind of cheat code to justify genocide. People like you cause a lot of suffering in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/496 "2025-06-28T15:44:24Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > You can Google him if you like. Or do you suddenly know of John Ritter? > If so, were you lying then or are you lying now? Lying when? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/497 "2025-06-28T16:11:35Z")
I think @Mundane_Super_Hero doesn’t believe that I’ve never heard of some popular comedian. It seems like a funny cause to jump to accusations of lying over. But 🤷‍♀️ No skin off my hide. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/498 "2025-06-28T17:25:07Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Thanks. I’ve heard of that show, but never watched it. The name was vaguely familiar but I had to look it up and then I did recall that he was a popular TV star years ago. I never watched that show either. I never had time to watch much TV during my younger adult years. It’s only been in the last 15 years or so that I started to be able to have time for TV and movie watching. I am so far behind the norm of knowing things like this. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/499 "2025-06-28T17:37:38Z")
_“Cet animal est très méchant, Quand on l’attaque il se défend.”_ (“This animal is very bad; when you attack it, it defends itself.") Do Israelis have a reason to fear attacks from Palestinians? Yes. Do Palestinians have a reason to fear attacks from Israel? Yes. Are all Israelis responsible for the actions of their government? No. Are all Palestinians responsible for the actions of Hamas? No. Does any of this justify the genocide of either side? No. Does any of this justify the attack on Iran right now? No. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/500 "2025-06-28T17:49:24Z")
I’d actually say that the attack (at least by Israel) against Iran was considerably more justified than any of the action in Palestine. Yeah, it was Hamas that was attacking Israel directly, but the only reason that Hamas has ever been a serious threat was the constant weapons and other support they were getting from Iran. And since Iran functions like a conventional nation-state, not an insurgency, it was a lot easier to target Iran relatively cleanly, without getting hospitals and schools and the like in the collateral damage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=26)