# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/501 "2025-06-28T17:52:02Z")
I agree. The Iranian strikes look very much like “self defense”. Much moreso than most of what’s been happening in Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/502 "2025-06-28T18:21:47Z")
Never heard of Ritter Sport, but handmade chocolates are the best, I’m fond of Margie’s Candies in Chicago ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/503 "2025-06-28T19:26:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > it was a lot easier to target Iran relatively cleanly, without getting hospitals and schools and the like in the collateral damage. Except for the actual Iranian hospitals and schools caught in the crossfire, I guess you mean…because borh were certainly hit ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/504 "2025-06-28T22:36:10Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > So if, for example, Israel intentionally starved Gaza and prevented aid from reach the people living there, what would be the reaction? Pieces of shit like you would cheer and the people in America who had a problem with it would be called radicals. Correction. Americans opposed to genocide in Gaza are called antisemitic, not radicals. Hell, even Israelis opposed to it are called antisemitic. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/505 "2025-06-28T23:09:52Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Let’s say you took someone’s land (or your dad did). > > They then spend the next 20+ years shooting at you. Killing a person here and there. Running over and kidnapping some of your family. > > How would you respond? Most people support genocidal violence in return, which is the whole point. The Israelis grab land, attack random Palestinians and otherwise whip up as much hate as they can so that the Palestinians lash out; then then go and kill _far more_ Palestinians and grab more land while claiming self defense. And like you, make speeches about how it was perfectly reasonable for them to retaliate. Then go right back to committing provocations as the cycle restat. It’s the same style of genocide that the US used agaisnt the native Americans; I wouldn’t be surprised if the Israelis are consciously copying us. Althoguh I doubt any will be left alive on reservations, the entire population will be exterminated. Then they Israelis start attacking and genociding their neighbors for more _lebensraum_ in the same way, claiming self defense the whole time. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/506 "2025-06-29T01:06:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And since Iran functions like a conventional nation-state, not an insurgency, it was a lot easier to target Iran relatively cleanly, without getting hospitals and schools and the like in the collateral damage. …Israel literally bombed a television station while it was live on air. > **[Iranian state TV attacked while on air in latest wave of Israeli strikes on...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyNtoCKvPC8%2F)** > > Iran’s state TV says it is being attacked by Israel in latest wave of missile strikes on Tehran. Al Jazeera's Tohid Asadi has more from Tehran, Iran Subscri... 610 Iranians were killed while 28 Israelis were killed. Israel destroyed 9 ambulances, struck and damaged 7 hospitals. They assassinated multiple nuclear scientists, many of them with no connection to the nuclear weapons programme. The amount of deference people _still_ give to Israel after everything we’ve seen over the last two years kinda blows my mind. Israel did exactly the same thing in Lebanon. They targeted hospitals, schools and journalists and lied about why they did so. The kind of shenanigans that they get up to, from [Pegasus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)), to disguising themselves as doctors and nurses so they can extra-judicially murder people in hospitals, to sabotaging international supply chains so they can commit terrorist attacks (including killing children and healthcare workers) by blowing up pagers. I found out that murdering Iranian scientists is something that Israel has been doing for so long they even have a [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinations_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists) page about it! If any other country did just a _fraction_ of what Israel gets up to we’d be calling them a rogue state. Instead, some people can’t even acknowledge that Israel are playing by exactly the same playbook: deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and then lying about it. The reality is that, unlike Iran, Israel actually _has_ nuclear weapons. They just pretend that they don’t. And unlike Iran, there is no oversight. No negotiations. No nonproliferation treaty. No safeguards. And everybody is just _fine_ with that. The country that people are only just _now_ acknowledging is committing genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank and is an apartheid state and routinely breaks its “[ceasefire](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/28/israeli-strikes-on-south-lebanon-kill-three-ministry)” with Lebanon made an exception in the case of Iran, that was targeted “relatively cleanly.” Except it wasn’t. If Iran launched a campaign to murder Israeli nuclear scientists in their sleep, Israel would bomb Iran into oblivion and the whole world would be just fine with that. If Iran sent pagers into Israel that targeted and killed Mossad agents and generals, it would be called terrorism. But when Israel does it, it’s _funny_. There is something really really wrong here. I just wish some of you had the ability to ask yourself _why_ this is. That even though you acknowledge that Israel are committing genocide in Gaza, you _still_ give them the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/507 "2025-06-29T01:10:58Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > So if, for example, Israel intentionally starved Gaza and prevented aid from reach the people living there, what would be the reaction? By “intentionally starved Gaza and prevented aid from reach the people living there”, are you possibly referring to interdicting shipments of food and aid that were being diverted to Hamas, including reselling relief supplies for cash to buy more weapons with? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/508 "2025-06-29T01:23:07Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > They assassinated multiple nuclear scientists, many of them with no connection to the nuclear weapons programme. Are you even reading what you’re writing, there? Multiple nuclear scientists. What do you think they had to do with? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The reality is that, unlike Iran, Israel actually _has_ nuclear weapons. They just pretend that they don’t. They don’t. They just pretend that they do. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/509 "2025-06-29T01:25:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Are you even reading what you’re writing, there? Multiple nuclear scientists. What do you think they had to do with? It is possible to be a _nuclear scientist_ and have nothing to do with nuclear weapons. What is so hard to grasp about that? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/510 "2025-06-29T01:28:06Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What do you think they had to do with? …nuclear _power_. Some of them were just lecturers. I went and read their biographies. I even went and read what the Jerusalem Post had to see if they could share any connection with the nuclear weapons programmes, and most of them didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/511 "2025-06-29T01:28:29Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Germany. But they are also fairly easy to find in specialty stores in the US. Yeah. My local grocery even carries it, but it caters to a lot of Polish, so has chocolates from that part of the world. And at normal, not specialty store, prices! Like a bar is something around $2-$3. Always been a fan of the biscuit one and the corn flakes one. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/512 "2025-06-29T01:29:30Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > are you possibly referring to interdicting shipments of food and aid that were being diverted to Hamas, including reselling relief supplies for cash to buy more weapons with? …every single humanitarian agency on the ground, INCLUDING Cindy McCain from the World Food Programme, says this isn’t happening. What is your source? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/513 "2025-06-29T01:36:47Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > What is your source? Lumpy’s rectum? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/514 "2025-06-29T02:03:12Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Let’s say you took someone’s land (or your dad did). …here is the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice on Israel and the occupied territories: > **[186-20240719-sum-01-00-en.pdf](https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240719-sum-01-00-en.pdf)** > > 404.55 KB > [@ICJ](#): > > Observing that, in the present case, the public property confiscated or requisitioned for the > development of Israeli settlements benefits the civilian population of settlers, to the detriment of the > local Palestinian population, the Court concludes that Israel’s land policies are not in conformity with > Articles 46, 52 and 55 of the Hague Regulations. > > … > > On the basis of the evidence before it, the Court considers that Israel’s use of the natural > resources in the Occupied Palestinian Territory is inconsistent with its obligations under international > law. By diverting a large share of the natural resources to its own population, including settlers, Israel is in breach of its obligation to act as administrator and usufructuary. > > … > > In the present case, the Court is not convinced that the extension of Israel’s law to the West > Bank and East Jerusalem is justified under any of the grounds laid down in the second paragraph of > Article 64 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. > > … > > The nature of Israel’s acts, including the fact that Israel frequently confiscates land following the > demolition of Palestinian property for reallocation to Israeli settlements, indicates that its measures > are not temporary in character and therefore cannot be considered as permissible evacuations under > the Fourth Geneva Convention. > > … > > In the present case, on the basis of the > evidence before it, the Court is of the view that Israel’s systematic failure to prevent or to punish > attacks by settlers against the life or bodily integrity of Palestinians, as well as Israel’s excessive use > of force against Palestinians, is inconsistent with its obligations. > > … > > The Court further observes that Israel’s legislation and measures impose and serve to maintain > a near-complete separation in the West Bank and East Jerusalem between the settler and Palestinian > > - 15 - communities. For this reason, the Court considers that Israel’s legislation and measures constitute a > breach of Article 3 of CERD. > > … > > The sustained abuse by Israel of its position as an occupying Power, through annexation and an > assertion of permanent control over the Occupied Palestinian Territory and continued frustration of > the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, violates fundamental principles of > international law and renders Israel’s presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory unlawful. > > … > > The Court further observes that, with respect to the policies and practices of Israel referred to > in question (a) which were found to be unlawful, Israel has an obligation to put an end to those > unlawful acts. In this respect, Israel must immediately cease all new settlement activity. Israel also > has an obligation to repeal all legislation and measures creating or maintaining the unlawful situation, > including those which discriminate against the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian > Territory, as well as all measures aimed at modifying the demographic composition of any parts of > the territory. > Israel is also under an obligation to provide full reparation for the damage caused by its > internationally wrongful acts to all natural or legal persons concerned. Reparation includes > restitution, compensation and/or satisfaction. You keep asking this: > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > How would you respond? As if the rocket and mortar attacks just kinda randomly happened. The reality is that those rocket and mortar attacks are part of a much larger conflict, one that _isn’t_ ancient history. And if you are going to conduct an illegal occupation, subjugate its population, allow settlers to conduct regular pogroms, blow up the airport, shoot fisherman if they dare venture out to far to sea, when you shoot [6000 peaceful protesters](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition) (killing 189 of them, including 35 children), when you have thousands of people locked up with no charge and no hope of release, when apartheid is policy…you would have to be a _fool_ not to expect there to be some sort of resistance. _Especially_ when the international community choose to side with the group that _continually violates international law_. Fighting back was inevitable. You can’t just keep applying pressure and not expect it to eventually release. I’m not _excusing_ Hamas’s firing of the rockets. And I’ll say it again in case there is any doubt: October 7th was an _atrocity_. A terrorist attack. I condemn it completely. But the situation in Gaza and the West Bank has been hopeless for a very long time. Almost nobody was in their corner. I have to admit I wasn’t. I associated Gaza with “terrorism.” After everything I’ve learned over the last two years I’m ashamed of that now. And now it’s nearly over. All we have left of Rafah are photos, videos and memories. Israel have destroyed Mosques and churches and historical sites centuries old. They destroyed every single university. Yes: the rockets that Hamas fired into Israel was bad. But it’s _disingenuous_ to view that in isolation and ignore the greater conflict. And it blows my mind that you’d bring that up here, as if you’ve found the perfect “gotcha”, while Israel is in the process of wiping Gaza from the earth. And please, by all means, correct me if I’m wrong, but I can’t recall you even _remotely_ condemning that. As in a full throated “what Israel is doing is an atrocity” without any caveats or excuses. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/515 "2025-06-29T02:05:24Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …nuclear _power_. 🤣 This is literally the opening speech to _The Dictator_, only Banquet Bear thinks he’s being sincere about never bombing Israel. There’s literally one reason to enrich to 60% - past 20%, really. But don’t let facts get in Banquet Buddy’s way. You’re just racist for not trusting the Supreme Leader 99% of the time (the 1% is when he says he wants to destroy Israel, _don’t listen_ when he says that). ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/516 "2025-06-29T02:39:46Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Always been a fan of the biscuit one and the corn flakes one. I like a little more chocolate then the biscuit one has, but the cornflake one is one of my favorites, maybe my very favorite when I want “sweet and crunchy”. I also love the (admittedly boring) hazelnut ones, both dark and milk. And the almond ones. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/517 "2025-06-29T02:42:24Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > > …nuclear _power_. > > 🤣 > > This is literally the opening speech to _The Dictator_, only Banquet Bear thinks he’s being sincere about never bombing Israel. > > There’s literally one reason to enrich to 60% - past 20%, really. But don’t let facts get in Banquet Buddy’s way. You’re just racist for not trusting the Supreme Leader 99% of the time (the 1% is when he says he wants to destroy Israel, _don’t listen_ when he says that). I think you misread his post. He said that some of the individual scientists who were assassinated were involved in nuclear power, not nuclear bombs. I have not researched them, have no clue what they did, and I’m not close enough to that field to know how transferrable the expertise is. But i didn’t see Banquet\_Bear denying that Iran was working towards nuclear bombs, only whether the people Israel killed were. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/518 "2025-06-29T02:47:52Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I think you misread his post. He said that some of the individual scientists who were assassinated were involved in nuclear power, not nuclear bombs. It’s the same program. “Once the Uranium is enriched, who cares where it achieves criticality? That’s not my department.” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/QEJ9HrZq7Ro/hqdefault.jpg "Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro) Incidentally, if precision strikes were a thing in World War II, and the Allies wanted to use one to take out von Braun, they’d be fully justified. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/519 "2025-06-29T02:48:43Z")
With AI you could cast John Ritter, Maurice Chevalier, Ted Knight, Wayne Knight and eight other guys in a Shakespeare play. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/520 "2025-06-29T02:55:28Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > It’s the same program Well, that’s a reasonable reply to his post. “There’s only one reason to enrich beyond 60%” is our in left field. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=27)